Author Topic: THE Zr40 (Read 8246 times)

jimensminger · « **on:** February 22, 2006, 11:49:16 PM »

In the last 3 weeks with this ball I've won a scratch tournament, shot 826 without a 300, and just shot my second 300 last night. I've had 2-3, 279's and a 290,and nothing under 720 in league..This ball is amazing, my league-mates say I'm cheating. The ball is not a hook monster, no fancy drillings. Basic pin under the ring, and out of the box surface. I'm playing the same part of the lane as most everyone else. But here's what I see,...I carry more strikes than ever before. The ball carries the ten pin better than any ball I've ever seen. I can't explain it, but even the balls off my hand that aren't exactly my best still seem to hit and carry,...can't put this one down. jime

the prince · « **Reply #31 on:** February 28, 2006, 07:50:42 AM »

Bass, other things equal the TL should be stronger than the ZR40 or the Sniper, spec wise the order from most to least hook should be TL - ZR - Sniper. But the drillings, cover prep and your own release may change things.

tekneek · « **Reply #32 on:** February 28, 2006, 12:59:17 PM »

It seems old cores never die. If I'm not mistaken Elite is using an older version of a Brunswick core.
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wulfpackbwlr · « **Reply #33 on:** February 28, 2006, 01:04:51 PM »

Oh yes, cores are used over and over again all the time. Eithe rthe same or slight variations. Sometimes the designs are sold and sometimes technically "stolen". My coach at nc state actually designed the core that was put in the el nino. He sent the idea to storm to get the ball manufactured, was denied by them and it magically popped up in that ball about 2 years later.:-) A good design will constantly resurface.
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charlest · « **Reply #34 on:** February 28, 2006, 01:10:02 PM »

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All this talk about the covers need to be "broken in" .... has anyone heard of Scotch Brite?

Not the way that Soaker coverstocks need to be "broken -in". Try one and you'll see what we mean. I think but am not 100% positive that it's more like "priming the pump": they need to start absorbing oil in order to dissipate the oil properly. Just a wild guess on my part.

I do know that roughing up the cover has a different effect on them than 15-25 games of bowling. After that much bowling, they start getting ... powerful.

I have tried them all, and found that cracking the surface with scotch brite will get the ball to resemble the "15-25" game reaction. Just a tip some guy gave me.

nope, you just made it early, not stronger. You have to let it break in with use; then, and only then will it be truly stronger..
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tekneek · « **Reply #35 on:** February 28, 2006, 01:32:17 PM »

Nick, did you get it yet, suppose to have been delivered yesterday.
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Elite_Digger · « **Reply #36 on:** February 28, 2006, 09:58:46 PM »

Only have 10 games on mine so far now after league tonight and so far my 2 league scores have been +39 over average last week and +61 over average tonight. The Zr is very easy to get to the pocket on a consistent basis. Tonight I only had one shot miss the pocket completely in the first game. (Bad adjustment and bad release). Next two games I buried all my shots with nothing worse than a 9 count the rest of the way. I know it's too early, but so far I'm very happy with the way the ball reacts and the control I get with it. I could see this being in my bag for a long time.
Digs
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AllAirForceTwice · « **Reply #37 on:** February 28, 2006, 10:45:38 PM »

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In the last 3 weeks with this ball I've won a scratch tournament, shot 826 without a 300, and just shot my second 300 last night. I've had 2-3, 279's and a 290,and nothing under 720 in league..This ball is amazing, my league-mates say I'm cheating. The ball is not a hook monster, no fancy drillings. Basic pin under the ring, and out of the box surface. I'm playing the same part of the lane as most everyone else. But here's what I see,...I carry more strikes than ever before. The ball carries the ten pin better than any ball I've ever seen. I can't explain it, but even the balls off my hand that aren't exactly my best still seem to hit and carry,...can't put this one down. jime

Great bowling at the SASBA Jim!!! I can't shoot less than 720 with this ball on a house shot either... My stacked leverage AU79 had a pitched out balance hole that was just horrible to control even with more surface... So I went with a 4.5x4 with a large axis hole and had my driller punch the ring finger directly into the pin... I am positive I carry better than Tyhoid Mary with this ball... Has anyone tried more surface on one yet? I hate to toy with it at this point without a little "intel" first since it is such a better match for game than my AU79 was...

Thanks!
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bass · « **Reply #38 on:** March 01, 2006, 01:59:13 PM »

First of all thanks for everyones help.
My Sniper and Zr40 have pretty much the same layout(pin below ring finger with cg kicked out).
While my Thing lives has the pin next to my ring finger and cg in.
The Sniper seems to retain its energy longer than the other 2 balls giving it more on the backend.
Zr40 tends to be "squirty" when it comes off of the oil giving me over/under.
Thing Lives starts up earlier in the midlane than the other 2 balls with not as much backend movement.

If I throw all 3 balls standing same board/throwing same target they'll all get around the pocket(just different breakpoints).

So I'm assuming its more about matching a certain ball to a certain oil length/pattern.
Correct?

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jimensminger · « **Reply #39 on:** March 01, 2006, 04:02:45 PM »

BASS: you've figured it out,..

Pin_Daddy · « **Reply #40 on:** March 01, 2006, 07:39:44 PM »

Good luck with it! Even if you don't like it, it will last a while

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AllAirForceTwice · « **Reply #41 on:** March 02, 2006, 10:06:01 PM »

Dropped 2403 pins in 10 games in 3 houses in league play this week... I LOVE this ball!
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2004/2006 All Air Force

"Don't move Dave... the lanes will come to you." - Chris Kidd

Pin_Daddy · « **Reply #42 on:** March 03, 2006, 01:15:53 AM »

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Now to my questions. I know DT guys on here suggest soaking in warm water with Dawn to clean instead of using a heavy duty cleaner such as Clean and Dull. Which is great, but how often should I do this? How many games until it goes the other way and gets weaker? Also after every session should I be using a daily cleaner? I know some ball manufacturers (Morich especially) highly recommend you use a cleaner on their balls after every session. Do the soakers take well to Cleaners such as Storm Xtra Clean, or should I just wipe it off and thow it in the bag?

Thanks in advance

If you are bowling on crappy old wood lanes obviously clean a bit more... I would think no more than once every 25-30 games less often if on newer cleaner lanes.

I don't think you will be able to notice the ball getting weaker..my AU79 probably got 100+ games and at least 4 Hot soaks, and never noticed it getting weaker at all.

the "guys" do not recommend daily use cleaning for soakers...just wipe off excess if you feel the need and let it sit. Soakers need the least maintenance of any coverstock currently available, and they also last the longest. Leave it to DT to put those two together.

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Chef: Well, if you want him to get really fat as fast as possible, one of you will have to marry him.
Stan: Marry him?
Chef: It definitely worked for every woman I've ever met.

tekneek · « **Reply #43 on:** March 03, 2006, 10:33:41 AM »

Well first off the Soaker is different than other covers, the amount of oil absorption is not the factor as much as how it disperses the oil throughout the cover, not just in the track area as other covers do. The more games you put on it the stronger the cover gets and the more consistant it becomes, that is why the phrase break in is used. Much more maintenace free than other covers.
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charlest · « **Reply #44 on:** March 03, 2006, 11:19:55 AM »

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Pin Daddy, if what your saying is true about how tough the Soaker cover stocks are and needing less maintenance, why can't any other bigger company figure this out? A reactive ball that does not absorb oil I think would be the Ultimate Dream! I just ordered my ZR40 and I'm wondering could I actualy drill it to strong with all of the talk of this ball getting stronger?
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If I might,
a reactive ball that doesn't absorb oil is called a urethane. (Little joke).
The Soaker's secret is not that they do not absorb oil; it's that they "dissipate" (I think that's the word Mr. Cardinale, the owner and designer of DT's balls, used.) the oil in such a way that the coverstock's performance is not affected by the amount of oil it absorbs.

If the other companies learned his secret formula or its equivalent, no doubt they would make a big deal about it and be using it in as many balls as they could.

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Edited on 3/3/2006 12:52 PM

tekneek · « **Reply #45 on:** March 03, 2006, 11:38:09 AM »

el correct-a moon-dough Jeff-ro. Exactly as it was put to me.
The finish on the Zr40 is 800 polished, 800 sanded with polish applied, Storm Step Two more than likely

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Edited on 3/3/2006 12:29 PM

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