Post by: jimensminger on February 22, 2006, 11:49:16 PM
Post by: tekneek on February 23, 2006, 08:13:14 AM
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Post by: Pin_Daddy on February 23, 2006, 08:23:08 AM
I'll give it about 25 more games before I make any judgments.
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Kyle: Chef, we need Butters to gain about 50 pounds, fast.
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Stan: Marry him?
Chef: It definitely worked for every woman I've ever met.
Post by: Elite_Digger on February 23, 2006, 11:47:57 AM
I had my Zr40 drilled up last weekend and got to practice with it on Sunday and use it for league on Tuesday night. I told my driller that I wanted to get some length and get a good hard continuation on the back-end. I have med speed/med revs and absolutely loved my Thing Returns and was looking for something similar with it being just a hair stronger. My driller went with a 75* layout for me which I know is strong. Pin ended up being directly under ring finger with a 2 3/4" pin. This thing gets about 2/3 of the way down the lane and makes an incredibly hard arcing motion with continuation. Hits extremely hard. Seems to keep the pins low. Pretty close to what I wanted, but it's even stronger than I thought it was going to be and knowing what I know about soaker coverstocks getting a bit stronger as they break in, that's what has me nervous. I'm a mid-190's average and ended up shooting 612 for the night so I'm not disappointed by any means, but I'm going to have to adjust the cover a bit I think. Maybe take it up to 1000/1200 with some polish... If I could get it to go another couple of feet with that same hard finish, it would be devastating. It does seem to be a very consitent reaction though, and fairly forgiving on releases. I'll post a review after a couple more weeks of throwing it. I think with some minor adjustments, this thing could be a monster.....
Digs
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Post by: jimensminger on February 23, 2006, 12:14:13 PM
Post by: thirtyclean on February 23, 2006, 12:30:22 PM
track with my Epic Battle, I went to the Zr40 and get
tremendous predictability and the carry is phenomanal.
I thrown other balls with similar claims, but this ball
I believe has a chance to be one of the best of all
Dynothanes. I drilled it with pin above my ring by
about an inch up and an inch to the right with a strong
stack with a weighthole and it is everying I wanted in
a control powerful layout. Does recover well also. A
true keeper. Will be taking to the nationals this weekend
and will take advantage of the control/power combination.
Thirtyclean
Dan K. / Chicago's Bowlers Shop
Niles Il
Post by: Elite_Digger on February 23, 2006, 12:40:43 PM
I'll definitely give it a few more games and then do the minor "experimenting" if it still warrants it....
Digs
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Post by: dR3w on February 23, 2006, 03:07:18 PM
I drilled the ball 5x4 with the 3" pin roughly over the ring finger.
Personally I find that this ball lopes off my hand compared to a lot of other equipment that I throw. It's like a have to work to get it to rev up. It definitely is not a skid snap ball, but is very strong off the dry. So far I find that the carry is better than most, but I usually find that to be true with most new equipment.
I have personally always thought that the Thing Returns is the best "carrying" ball that I have ever owned. I wish that they wouldn't have discontinued it.
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Post by: wrjjr on February 23, 2006, 04:30:49 PM
Post by: Pin_Daddy on February 23, 2006, 06:35:33 PM
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Kyle: Chef, we need Butters to gain about 50 pounds, fast.
Chef: Well, if you want him to get really fat as fast as possible, one of you will have to marry him.
Stan: Marry him?
Chef: It definitely worked for every woman I've ever met.
Post by: Elite_Digger on February 25, 2006, 11:07:13 AM
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Post by: Pin_Daddy on February 25, 2006, 10:59:45 PM
Most soakers max somewhere around 20 games.
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Kyle: Chef, we need Butters to gain about 50 pounds, fast.
Chef: Well, if you want him to get really fat as fast as possible, one of you will have to marry him.
Stan: Marry him?
Chef: It definitely worked for every woman I've ever met.
Post by: Elite_Digger on February 25, 2006, 11:23:45 PM
Digs
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Post by: the prince on February 27, 2006, 11:05:51 AM
Post by: charlest on February 27, 2006, 11:44:09 AM
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All this talk about the covers need to be "broken in" .... has anyone heard of Scotch Brite?
Not the way that Soaker coverstocks need to be "broken -in". Try one and you'll see what we mean. I think but am not 100% positive that it's more like "priming the pump": they need to start absorbing oil in order to dissipate the oil properly. Just a wild guess on my part.
I do know that roughing up the cover has a different effect on them than 15-25 games of bowling. After that much bowling, they start getting ... powerful.
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Post by: newguy on February 27, 2006, 12:39:10 PM
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All this talk about the covers need to be "broken in" .... has anyone heard of Scotch Brite?
Prince
Apparently you have not fully expierenced the full effects of the Soaker, I guess bowling in the Mohave has really tainted your views. There have been many posts on the scientific benefits of the soaker and how it gets stronger with extended use. My advice is to view some of these informative posts and see how others have enjoyed the long life and increased performance of the Soaker.
Post by: tekneek on February 27, 2006, 12:42:28 PM
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Post by: newguy on February 27, 2006, 12:45:30 PM
Post by: tekneek on February 27, 2006, 12:57:27 PM
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Post by: newguy on February 27, 2006, 01:26:05 PM
Post by: tekneek on February 27, 2006, 01:38:20 PM
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Edited on 2/27/2006 2:28 PM
Post by: bass on February 27, 2006, 02:04:32 PM
I've been putting up some big numbers throwing your stuff(2-800's and some big 7's).Every once in a while I get crossed up by my now 3 ball DT arsenal(Vendetta Sniper,Thing Lives and Zr40).
Here's the way I usually use them.
League shot(36ft.) with dryboards out;
Thing Lives
League type shot(38-41 ft.) no carrydown;
Zr40
League type shot(41+ ft.) with carrydown;
Vendetta Sniper
This combination seems to work well but every once in a while my Thing Lives seems stronger than the other 2 balls.
That's were I start to second guess myself.
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Post by: Pin_Daddy on February 27, 2006, 02:15:07 PM
Zr40's are strongish, but certainly not monsters
Snipers I have not thrown, but neither are they a BIG hook ball
Thing Lives were made to be pretty darn aggressive heavyish oil balls, so it would strike me that it would probably be your strongest ball on most conditions.
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Kyle: Chef, we need Butters to gain about 50 pounds, fast.
Chef: Well, if you want him to get really fat as fast as possible, one of you will have to marry him.
Stan: Marry him?
Chef: It definitely worked for every woman I've ever met.
Post by: tekneek on February 27, 2006, 02:59:46 PM
Sniper great med oil contol ball and for carrydown
Zr40 should be in everones bag, great benchmark contol piece, strong but not jumpy or snappy, just Mr Smooth with great wacking ability.
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Post by: Aud300 on February 27, 2006, 03:46:31 PM
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Post by: Pin_Daddy on February 27, 2006, 04:13:02 PM
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Compared to a Au - 79
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Less angular, more predictable, not quite as many boards covered overall, but I'm still breaking in and it is approaching the AU in terms of overall strength. My AU tended to be a little more prone to skidding too far.
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Kyle: Chef, we need Butters to gain about 50 pounds, fast.
Chef: Well, if you want him to get really fat as fast as possible, one of you will have to marry him.
Stan: Marry him?
Chef: It definitely worked for every woman I've ever met.
Post by: Aud300 on February 27, 2006, 04:49:31 PM
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Post by: the prince on February 28, 2006, 06:59:03 AM
quote:quote:
All this talk about the covers need to be "broken in" .... has anyone heard of Scotch Brite?
Prince
Apparently you have not fully expierenced the full effects of the Soaker, I guess bowling in the Mohave has really tainted your views. There have been many posts on the scientific benefits of the soaker and how it gets stronger with extended use. My advice is to view some of these informative posts and see how others have enjoyed the long life and increased performance of the Soaker.
You mispelled Mohave, its spelled "ELIBA"
Post by: the prince on February 28, 2006, 07:03:45 AM
quote:quote:
All this talk about the covers need to be "broken in" .... has anyone heard of Scotch Brite?
Not the way that Soaker coverstocks need to be "broken -in". Try one and you'll see what we mean. I think but am not 100% positive that it's more like "priming the pump": they need to start absorbing oil in order to dissipate the oil properly. Just a wild guess on my part.
I do know that roughing up the cover has a different effect on them than 15-25 games of bowling. After that much bowling, they start getting ... powerful.
I have tried them all, and found that cracking the surface with scotch brite will get the ball to resemble the "15-25" game reaction. Just a tip some guy gave me.
Post by: tekneek on February 28, 2006, 07:24:52 AM
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Post by: the prince on February 28, 2006, 07:50:42 AM
Post by: tekneek on February 28, 2006, 12:59:17 PM
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Post by: wulfpackbwlr on February 28, 2006, 01:04:51 PM
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Average jumped 10 pins since the change to Dyno-Thane. Why not use it?
Post by: charlest on February 28, 2006, 01:10:02 PM
quote:quote:quote:
All this talk about the covers need to be "broken in" .... has anyone heard of Scotch Brite?
Not the way that Soaker coverstocks need to be "broken -in". Try one and you'll see what we mean. I think but am not 100% positive that it's more like "priming the pump": they need to start absorbing oil in order to dissipate the oil properly. Just a wild guess on my part.
I do know that roughing up the cover has a different effect on them than 15-25 games of bowling. After that much bowling, they start getting ... powerful.
I have tried them all, and found that cracking the surface with scotch brite will get the ball to resemble the "15-25" game reaction. Just a tip some guy gave me.
nope, you just made it early, not stronger. You have to let it break in with use; then, and only then will it be truly stronger..
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Post by: tekneek on February 28, 2006, 01:32:17 PM
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Post by: Elite_Digger on February 28, 2006, 09:58:46 PM
Digs
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Post by: AllAirForceTwice on February 28, 2006, 10:45:38 PM
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In the last 3 weeks with this ball I've won a scratch tournament, shot 826 without a 300, and just shot my second 300 last night. I've had 2-3, 279's and a 290,and nothing under 720 in league..This ball is amazing, my league-mates say I'm cheating. The ball is not a hook monster, no fancy drillings. Basic pin under the ring, and out of the box surface. I'm playing the same part of the lane as most everyone else. But here's what I see,...I carry more strikes than ever before. The ball carries the ten pin better than any ball I've ever seen. I can't explain it, but even the balls off my hand that aren't exactly my best still seem to hit and carry,...can't put this one down. jime
Great bowling at the SASBA Jim!!! I can't shoot less than 720 with this ball on a house shot either... My stacked leverage AU79 had a pitched out balance hole that was just horrible to control even with more surface... So I went with a 4.5x4 with a large axis hole and had my driller punch the ring finger directly into the pin... I am positive I carry better than Tyhoid Mary with this ball... Has anyone tried more surface on one yet? I hate to toy with it at this point without a little "intel" first since it is such a better match for game than my AU79 was...
Thanks!
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Post by: bass on March 01, 2006, 01:59:13 PM
My Sniper and Zr40 have pretty much the same layout(pin below ring finger with cg kicked out).
While my Thing lives has the pin next to my ring finger and cg in.
The Sniper seems to retain its energy longer than the other 2 balls giving it more on the backend.
Zr40 tends to be "squirty" when it comes off of the oil giving me over/under.
Thing Lives starts up earlier in the midlane than the other 2 balls with not as much backend movement.
If I throw all 3 balls standing same board/throwing same target they'll all get around the pocket(just different breakpoints).
So I'm assuming its more about matching a certain ball to a certain oil length/pattern.
Correct????
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Post by: jimensminger on March 01, 2006, 04:02:45 PM
Post by: Pin_Daddy on March 01, 2006, 07:39:44 PM
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Kyle: Chef, we need Butters to gain about 50 pounds, fast.
Chef: Well, if you want him to get really fat as fast as possible, one of you will have to marry him.
Stan: Marry him?
Chef: It definitely worked for every woman I've ever met.
Post by: AllAirForceTwice on March 02, 2006, 10:06:01 PM
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Post by: Pin_Daddy on March 03, 2006, 01:15:53 AM
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Now to my questions. I know DT guys on here suggest soaking in warm water with Dawn to clean instead of using a heavy duty cleaner such as Clean and Dull. Which is great, but how often should I do this? How many games until it goes the other way and gets weaker? Also after every session should I be using a daily cleaner? I know some ball manufacturers (Morich especially) highly recommend you use a cleaner on their balls after every session. Do the soakers take well to Cleaners such as Storm Xtra Clean, or should I just wipe it off and thow it in the bag?
Thanks in advance
If you are bowling on crappy old wood lanes obviously clean a bit more... I would think no more than once every 25-30 games less often if on newer cleaner lanes.
I don't think you will be able to notice the ball getting weaker..my AU79 probably got 100+ games and at least 4 Hot soaks, and never noticed it getting weaker at all.
the "guys" do not recommend daily use cleaning for soakers...just wipe off excess if you feel the need and let it sit. Soakers need the least maintenance of any coverstock currently available, and they also last the longest. Leave it to DT to put those two together.
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Kyle: Chef, we need Butters to gain about 50 pounds, fast.
Chef: Well, if you want him to get really fat as fast as possible, one of you will have to marry him.
Stan: Marry him?
Chef: It definitely worked for every woman I've ever met.
Post by: tekneek on March 03, 2006, 10:33:41 AM
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Post by: charlest on March 03, 2006, 11:19:55 AM
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Pin Daddy, if what your saying is true about how tough the Soaker cover stocks are and needing less maintenance, why can't any other bigger company figure this out? A reactive ball that does not absorb oil I think would be the Ultimate Dream! I just ordered my ZR40 and I'm wondering could I actualy drill it to strong with all of the talk of this ball getting stronger?
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If I might,
a reactive ball that doesn't absorb oil is called a urethane. (Little joke).
The Soaker's secret is not that they do not absorb oil; it's that they "dissipate" (I think that's the word Mr. Cardinale, the owner and designer of DT's balls, used.) the oil in such a way that the coverstock's performance is not affected by the amount of oil it absorbs.
If the other companies learned his secret formula or its equivalent, no doubt they would make a big deal about it and be using it in as many balls as they could.
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Edited on 3/3/2006 12:52 PM
Post by: tekneek on March 03, 2006, 11:38:09 AM
The finish on the Zr40 is 800 polished, 800 sanded with polish applied, Storm Step Two more than likely
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Edited on 3/3/2006 12:29 PM
Post by: Pin_Daddy on March 03, 2006, 12:46:41 PM
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Kyle: Chef, we need Butters to gain about 50 pounds, fast.
Chef: Well, if you want him to get really fat as fast as possible, one of you will have to marry him.
Stan: Marry him?
Chef: It definitely worked for every woman I've ever met.
Post by: tekneek on March 03, 2006, 12:56:02 PM
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Post by: DynoLess Daddy on March 04, 2006, 11:45:33 PM
definitely a burner and earner...
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Post by: Pin_Daddy on March 05, 2006, 01:53:52 AM
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I have not visited the Ebonite board in sometime, are they trying something similar to the Soaker PD?
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Yeah the One came out with some great marketing touting the new coverstock
"Introducing THE ONE from Ebonite – the premier release in our new high performance series that pushes the entry angle to the extreme. Designed for medium to heavy oil patterns, the breakthrough GB-10.7 coverstock absorbs oil like a sponge, giving you more direct contact with the lane surface. As you exit the oil pattern, the cut to the pocket is razor sharp. Once you take it to the hole you’ll realize for yourself, this is THE ONE."
Breakthrough...hmmm... How long has DT been making soakers?
So far I have heard mixed signals as far as longevity...of course it hasn't been out that long, so if there are already some complaints....
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Kyle: Chef, we need Butters to gain about 50 pounds, fast.
Chef: Well, if you want him to get really fat as fast as possible, one of you will have to marry him.
Stan: Marry him?
Chef: It definitely worked for every woman I've ever met.