apparently we are b/c I think my too hot does a better job on carry down, atleast it is consistant.. dead strait, but consistant. I bowled a tourney 2 weeks ago in a house that is usually light and stripped so i didn't bother bringing anything bigger than the element and it sure didn't cut it when they decided to just oil over what they had out there and not strip. So it was heavier and carrydown. I was throwing the element up 3 to get it back, it wouldn't do anything but skate and never recover on anything deeper. Other guys who were "smart" brought partical and kicked my ___ until it dried up and i could get a line which was too late. To top it off i started on the pair that killed everybody until the last game when it got tracked a little. If you think thats just crap, the guys that started next to me has a 248, a 268, and some other real high scores. the highest to come off that group when they moved to the lanes i started on was a 190something. The guy with the 268 fell to a 16x and hes prolly the best bowler i know. So I was really screwed from the get go. BUT thats what made me think, y doesn't Dyno have a highend partical? O and i thought the VP was out?? NO? I know the VP2 is partical too but not really an oiler. I will agree that most bowlers will NEVER need more than the anomaly if it is as much ball as i hear, but some aren't getting what they expected so I guess its up to the bowler. A TRUE oiler should be the last concern for a company i realize but I think its time, there is a great range of balls out there now. I can't wait for the big boy