Hi all,
I was absolutely dumbfounded to walk into league last night and find more oil than I could handle.  I am not going back without something to stop that mishap from happening again.  I think I am all but set on the Threshold, but I've been having the Black Widow pushed on me.  I have seen the Widow in action but nothing on the Threshold other than the one video here.  I need somebody to help me out on what reaction difference I might see in the 2.  I thought the Widow looked a little on the "rolly" side on a house shot and the video here certainly made the Threshold look stronger in the backend.  Has anybody seen or thrown the two side by side for a real comparison? I really want to get back to all DT, but its hard to make the leap with nobody around throwing it to see what I might get.

i just got my widow and it is not a rolly ball to me it is good lenght and a violent left turn i threw it on 42 foot of oil that had a extra 14 foot bump this ball defianly digs in oil loves oil and that is oob surface i like the widow

I ahve 2 BW's and a Threshold. Drillings and pics are in my profile. The Threshold is alot earlier and has even more hook at the back than the BW's. I love my BW's, but the Threshold will handle more oil and be stronger at the breakpoint. Now on mediums I would give the BW the upperhand b/c the Threshold would be a little too aggressive. They are both 2 of the best balls out right now. For heavy-oil go with the Threshold, for medium-oil go with the BW.

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I have both the BW and I got a Threshold yesterday. It is my first D/T since a Maximum Risk a long time ago. I drilled it with a 4¼ pin to PAP and 4¼ cAp tp PAP, 70 degrees, pin under. On the fresh league conditions, on pro anvillane, the Threshold was way too much ball, even playing 25 out to 10-8 the ball would always check up early enough to leave a 4 pin. I had to spin the ball from deep to get enough length not to go Beak. It's a great heavy rolling ball and even on this hooking house shot had zero rollout, even though it was clear the ball was burning up - it was still continuous and hit the pins with a very loud sound and good action. The Black Widow (Polished, 4x4 75 degree, Pin High) on the same shot was about 5 feet longer and fairly angular. This ball also was too much after I switched from the Threshold, I would get better length but the ball seemed to go sideways and always go a little high. The ball that worked best on this shot was a Vibe.  So I would drill the Threshold, sounds like you have enough oil out there for it to work great cause the ball neeeds oil.
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I only throw D/T at this point, but have seen it against Morich Awesome hooks, and the One Series and it runs circles around everything thrown in our house, never seen a ball with so much hook but yet sooooo much recovery, mine is at 1500 grit to get more than two games out of her otherwise I'd be renting approach space on adjacent lanes.
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Threshold is absolutely stronger @16Lbs.  The Big One only has a Diff of .039 at 16Lbs.  A Dynothane Vendetta Series ball has higher diffs than that.  At 15lb The Big One's Diff goes up to .056 which is pretty much where the Threshold is.  However with the partical nature of the Threshold; it should handle more oil.
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Edited on 9/8/2006 10:03 PM

Threshold is OOB @ 800 Grit. If you know your PAP and other stats, or drillings you like crankncrash, there are several people on this board that can help you select a proper layout.  Too many times we hear people saying  "ball doesn't move" or something of that nature, and most times the ball has been laid out improperly, or it is the wrong drilling for that specific situation.  Let us know how we can help!
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