This is a great ball. I got it used, almost a year ago. (demo ball). It had a ton of abuse. I left the drilling that was in it  (pin high, MB 1.75 right of thumb) and adapted the grip to me. You can hardly tell it was re-drilled. I resurfaced it to 3000 dull. The first time I tried to use it, I could not get it to the beak point. I put it away. Last week I was bowling a make-up. I figured we would be bowling on a break down shot so I put it in the bag. As long as there was oil, this ball went out, came back and carried allmost everything. I got two games out of it, 8 strikes the first, 7 in the second. Put it away when I got splits.  I really like this ball when the conditions work for it. I don't have a clue how many games are on this ball, but it definately has not died.