Author Topic: Total NV (Read 32632 times)

admin · « **on:** December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »

Ebonite Total NV Bowling Ball

High Performance

Coverstock: Traxion Reactive 0.30

Weight Block: Spike Symmetrical Mas Bias Core

Ball Color: Purple/Navy/Gold All colors do vary somewhat from the picture shown.

Hook Potential: info coming soon (scale of 1-50, least to most)

Length: info coming soon (scale of 1-50, early to late)

RG Differential: info coming soon (Medium Flare) on a scale of .000-.080 Low Flare-High Flare

RG Average: info coming soon (Low) on a scale of 2.43-2.80 Very Low-High Break Point

Recommended Lane Conditions: Medium to Heavy Oil Conditions

rmm300 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 16, 2007, 05:52:13 PM »

First want to say thanks to Damon at Ebonite and everything he does for me, second i got my ball and drilled it with the pin above the bridge of both fingers and the mass bias to the right of the thumb, without a weight hole, i also hit it with 4000 abralon pad. I used this ball out of the box on a 38 foot pattern that was buffed to to 42 and a large concentration of oil in the middle and a good amount on the gutter, it was out tri city masters tournament shot. I used this ball the third game after a 158 and a 189 game, nothing seemed to work and come off my hand the way i wanted it too, so i went to this ball the third game and shot 289, third i shot 246, fourth i shot 236, and the sixth i shot 300, and finished 4th, i have to go and bowl match play on sunday, but i must say this ball gets through the front part of the lane with ease and when it hits the dry part of the lane or finds friction it makes it move, and is strong and continuous. I must say this ball is a keeper and im planning on drilling a few more to do a few things. I just want to add to this review, i used this ball the past weekend in the match play part of the masters tournament here in western new york, and i went on to use this ball for the whole day and didnt have to move much in fact i was able to move my feet a bit left off of the last dot on the lane and just let the ball roll off my hand, i went on to win and average 230 with this ball, so i highly reccomend this ball for any type of bowler as a pro shop owner and bowler, i havnt come across anyone who couldnt use this ball, even a guy with or without hand, buy ebonite its worth it.

pocketsmasher · « **Reply #17 on:** February 16, 2007, 06:49:00 PM »

i just picked up the TNV and had it punched out with the following specs:

my pap --> 4" over, 3/4" up
pin to pap --> 3-3/8"
pin to val --> 1-1/2"
mb --> 60 deg
no weight hole

i had this ball drilled so it would go down long and crash the back 20. i started with the regular oob finish and the ball went a little too long for my liking. maybe there was a little too much oil due to league night. i had it taken down to 500 and then back up with a 2000 abralon and left the polish off. i must say, i am definitely a firm believer now that tweaking the cover can make a difference. you just need some patience and the willingness to experiment with the cover (thanks roger!)

i am adding this ball to my arsenal which now consists of the following:
the big one (sanded down to 320)
tnv (2000 abralon w/o polish)
sr300 (oob finish)
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Pin Point Bowling Concepts
AMF Beverly Lanes
Montebello, CA
(323) 724-4420

electrictech · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2007, 06:44:34 AM »

First off, let me start by saying that I am not all that familiar with ball specs and axis points, as I only bowl one night a week. I just punched out the NV yesterday using LAYOUT 2 on the paperwork. This ball reads the front part of the lane very well and has immense carry capability at the decks. The house was medium oiled(and sorry, I don't know the lengths the oil was put down) All I can tell you is the left lane was 5 boards tighter than the right one. First game out of the box shot 268. Second game out of the box 278. Third game OUT OF THE BOX 258. This was my first 800 series EVER. I used to stay away from Ebonite equipment years ago, but I think I'll be using more and more of it as time goes by. Great job and great ball Ebonite!!!!

Jeff Ussery · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2007, 10:02:27 AM »

Pin to PAP Distance: 4 1/2"
Degree Layout: 45 Degrees
Balance Hole: 25/32" Hole x 2" Deep - 4" Right of Grip Center
Surface Preparation: 2000 Abralon

What I Was Looking For in this Ball and Layout:

Hook, hook, and more hook. I've been lacking a ball that just flat out hooks through heavy volumes of lane oil. I drilled an Infinite One earlier this year, but it was specifically drilled for a trip to Las Vegas and extremely slick conditions. Since that time, I've not had a ball that would really handle extremely thick oil up until this point.

What I Ended Up With in this Ball and Layout:

This Total NV is incredibly aggressive, everywhere on the lane. The ball performs as expected through the front part of the lane. Whenever you have a ball with 6-7 inches of track flare, a 2000 grit Abralon surface, and then you combine it with my axis tilt, it's going to hook early. And that was just fine with me! This ball does exactly what I wanted through the front part of the lane.

At the breakpoint, this Total NV is very strong and induces friction like no other ball in my bag. Whenever I get on a lane condition where I can't get a ball to read the spot, I start thinking about this ball. This ball is strong enough in the transition that I haven't seen anything yet that it won't hook on. The great thing is that it is incredibly controllable at that spot, and it never jumps in an angular fashion. For my game, this is key when I'm bowling on heavier volume patters. The tendency for me is to get reactions that push too long and then change direction too quickly. I feel as if this ball will solve those problems.

As I said earlier, nothing outhooks this ball with the stuff currently in my bag. It handles heavier oil better than anything else I have. I can actually force this ball reasonably well on conditions it's not intended for. Now, it may not be beneficial to do so, but it is nice knowing that you have equipment that is a little more versatile and can be used on a wider range of lane conditions. I can use this Total NV on anything between heavy and medium oil volumes and lengths.

Length from 1-10 (Early to Late)
2.5

Breakpoint Move from 1-10 (Smooth to Sharp)
5.5

Overall Hook from 1-10 (Low to High)
9.5

If you would like to see a picture of this ball layout, please visit my website at:
www.proshoptraining.com

Videos of this ball are available at:
www.putfile.com/jeffussery
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Jeff Ussery
Powerhouse Training Clinics
www.proshoptraining.com
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 785-843-2658
Ball Videos at www.putfile.com/jeffussery

Jeff Ussery · « **Reply #20 on:** February 20, 2007, 10:03:52 AM »

Pin to PAP Distance: 5"
Degree Layout: 35 Degrees
Balance Hole: 25/32" Hole x 2" Deep - 3" Right of Grip Center
Surface Preparation: 2000 Abralon

What I Was Looking For in this Ball and Layout:

This is the second Total NV that I drilled, and I was looking for something that was very aggressive but would give me a little different shape than Total NV #1. I was hoping this ball would clean up the front just a little but still make a very aggressive downlane move.

What I Ended Up With in this Ball and Layout:

This ball accomplished exactly what I wanted through the front part of the lane, and it fits my eye very well. This Total NV is scuffed to 2000 Abralon so that it will handle very heavy volumes of lane oil. I used a 5" pin distance to give the ball just a little more length than Total NV #1. The surfaces between the two balls are identical. As with the first Total NV I drilled, this ball lets me know immediately when the heads are no longer slick enough for me to use it.

At the breakpoint, this Total NV is completely different than the first one. Where the first Total NV makes an arcing type of shape, this Total NV turns the corner more quickly and responds faster to friction. My mass bias location is designed to get the ball to roll earlier and smoother than most of my equipment, and it certainly accomplishes that. I believe that you'll see this in the videos, particularly in the overhead shots. This Total NV is the perfect complement to my first one for the way that I throw the ball.

In overall hook, this Total NV is just slightly below my first one. With a slightly weaker pin position, the ball ended up slightly weaker. Perfect! I've also been very impressed with surface adjustments on my Total NVs, particularly with this ball. I've actually used this ball everywhere between 500 grit Abralon and 4000 grit Abralon with polish applied. The ball responds very well to surface changes, but I never feel as if it is rolling too early in the heads. Don't be afraid to make surface adjustments to your ball to fine tune your ball reaction!

Length from 1-10 (Early to Late)
4.0

Breakpoint Move from 1-10 (Smooth to Sharp)
6.0

Overall Hook from 1-10 (Low to High)
8.5

If you would like to see a picture of this ball, visit my website at:
www.proshoptraining.com

If you would like to see a video of this ball:
www.putfile.com/jeffussery
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Jeff Ussery
Powerhouse Training Clinics
www.proshoptraining.com
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 785-843-2658
Ball Videos at www.putfile.com/jeffussery

Jeff Ussery · « **Reply #21 on:** February 20, 2007, 10:05:11 AM »

Pin to PAP Distance: 5 1/2"
Degree Layout: 60 Degrees
Balance Hole: 13/16" Hole x 2" Deep - 3 1/2" Right of Grip Center
Surface Preparation: 4000 Abralon with Powerhouse Factory Finish Polish (Box Condition)

What I Was Looking For in this Ball and Layout:

I had recently lost my Angular One to a tragic decision making malfunction, so I was hoping to replace that kind of ball reaction with this Total NV. I was looking for a ball that was clean through the front of the lane, made a very quick downlane transition, and destroyed the pins every time I threw it. Don't we all want that? All joking aside, I was looking for easy push through the heads with a strong downlane move that I could control.

What I Ended Up With in this Ball and Layout:

Perfection with regards to layout vs. ball reaction. This ball is EXACTLY what I was hoping for. You can see in the videos that I made that this Total NV pushes through the fronts much easier than the first two. Part of this is due to the weaker pin position. Much of this is due to me leaving this ball in the factory condition. This Total NV pushes through the front of the lane on all but the driest of lane conditions for me.

This ball does exactly what I wanted at the spot as well. The Total NV is very strong off of the breakpoint, and makes a very angular type of move off of the transition. This ball shape is something that I had with an Angular One drilled identical to this, but I feel like the Total NV gives me a little more consistent read at the breakpoint. Occasionally I would push my Angular One right past the breakpoint, but the Total NV doesn't allow me to do that. This ball transitions better than any polished ball I've seen in some time.

In total hook, this Total NV is a little less than my first two. Most of that can be attributed to surface preparation. But that's what I wanted anyway. When you're watching the videos of these 3 Total NVs, be sure not to confuse backend ball motion with hook. Just because a ball moves a lot in the backend of the lane doesn't mean that it hooks a lot. My first two Total NVs will handle heavier lane oil far better than this one. This Total NV is perfect on medium conditions, and it's deadly on any broken down pattern that plays further left than normal.

Length from 1-10 (Early to Late)
7.0

Breakpoint Move from 1-10 (Smooth to Sharp)
9.0

Overall Hook from 1-10 (Low to High)
7.5

If you would like to see a picture of this ball, visit my website at:
www.proshoptraining.com

If you would like to see a video of this ball:
www.putfile.com/jeffussery
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Jeff Ussery
Powerhouse Training Clinics
www.proshoptraining.com
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 785-843-2658
Ball Videos at www.putfile.com/jeffussery

PVellenga · « **Reply #22 on:** February 22, 2007, 10:36:04 AM »

Ok, first off I just want to say that I have just recently started throwing Ebonite after many happy years with Storm. So with that said I want to say that I have been extremely happy with the Ebonite product line. I will try to make this a usuable review without all of the technical jargon so that the casual bowler can understand what is being said. First off I am a left handed bowler and compete in on the PBA Regional tour. I have a very good rev rate and a high ball speed. The layout we used was basically a tweaked version of the #3 layout. So stacked leverage drilling with a 3 3/8" pin. My first impression of this ball was very good. Very clean through the heads with a great recovery on the back end. I kept the OOB finish on the ball. I will note though that the OOB maybe be a little to flakey for the average bowler. I found this finish to be very touchy on some parts of the lane. Very speed sensitive. So if you take it to like 2000 abralon and no polish I think it will be a better match for most league bowlers. The pin carry was TREMENDOUS. Thundering shots into the pocket. I only left two 7 pins the whole night. But like I said be careful of speed. Especially getting too slow. This ball can overreact a bit. I will be shocked if this isnt the ball of the year. It is the most versatile ball I have EVER thrown. Hands down! You will not be dissappointed if you purchase this ball. Just make sure that you get the right layout for your style and also should probably take the factory finish to 2000 abralon so the ball is a little more consistant for the average bowler.

jeorj · « **Reply #23 on:** February 26, 2007, 05:10:46 PM »

My friend got this about a few weeks ago, and I think he has it drilled stacked. He has a 209 ave, has put 7 sets on this ball, 5 700's and 2 680's. What I see is that is moves thru the heads beautifully and has a good read at the midlane, then a very strong turn to the pocket. It also carries very well.

Bigmike · « **Reply #24 on:** March 04, 2007, 09:53:48 PM »

See stats for profile.

Lay Out: 5" from PAP(over ring finger), 75deg angle. No wt hole. This is my favorite layout in terms of getting a good read on a ball's motion.

Surface: Box & I have taken it down to 1000abr, then hit it back to 2000abr.

Purpose: To give myself a arsenal ball that I could use on medium/longer and medium oil volume patterns.

Observations: I have thrown this ball on mostly THS, but also used it some on PBA regional pattern 3 which is a medium length/volume pattern. What I am seeing with this ball in relationship to other balls that I have is a ball that is very close to the Total Inferno that I have. The roll and hitting power is dead on. The move in the back was a smidge more crisper than the Total is. I could get this thru the front well, but in box finish this piece was jumpy on the back. I took it down to 1000/2000abr to try to get it too bleed off some energy and slow down on the back some. I still had a lot of jump in the back with the ball. I can take my hand out of it and really go dead up the back of it and get it to ignore the front more, but still jumpiness in the back. When the THS breaks down and forced me furthur into the "moat", the jumpiness was welcomed. On tougher patterns like PBA Reg 3 and 4 (put out for a tournament club that I bowl in locally), the jumpiness makes me have to put it away a lot quicker than I would like to. I think a more usuable layout for me for the tougher tournament conditions where smooth is a premium would be pin down in the same distance at a 45deg angle. This should get the ball to bleed off enough energy to slow down the ball in the backend.

Final thoughts: The "buzz" about the ball is unbelievable. Ebonite really marketed the ball reminiscent to the Crush/R days where just about every rack had one of these within a few weeks of release. This is definitely a ball that you can't be afraid to experiment with the surface and layout on. I imagine power players would be looking to lay it out as weak as possible or with the "trick" drill to get it to slow down off the point a little more. I am a tweener and am thinking this might get plugged and redrilled with the 1" VAL layout as an experiment. This might slow it down in the backend for me to be able to use it on more conditions.

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Mike Craig-Columbus, OH

ebo4life · « **Reply #25 on:** March 04, 2007, 10:35:25 PM »

Not sure Specs on ball----just know that it outhooks my big one by about 10 boards but not quite as jumpy---very controlled back end and all the hitting power expected of ebonite--awesome job guys

CoachJim · « **Reply #26 on:** March 06, 2007, 06:18:23 PM »

I drilled mine with the Tommy Jones drilling with the pin at 4 1/2" and 1 1/2" away from my val, and the mb at 75 degrees instead of 80 or 90 to hold the jump off the break down a little.

If you have thoughts in your head about the ball not hooking with this drill pattern forget it, the ball still hooks a ton, but is a bit over reactive off the break still. It would be more usable to drill the pin farther from the pap to get the ball to read the midlane a little smoother. It feels like I am aiming for a break point the size of a quarter, meaning if I got the ball too long or not in the dry soon enough, the ball would squirt.

I never had a problem getting the ball back from anywhere and was much more predictable when I lowered my rev rate to about 200 and played the lane straighter.

I just feel that if I would have went with drill pattern one or two I would have a great first ball out of the bag on pretty much any condition that has head oil.

The TJ drilling allowed me to stay with the ball for a longer period of time since getting the ball down the lane is not an issue, and alowed me to play inside the 5th arrow. In the house I bowl at, the oil pattern is oiled 30 ft and buffed to about 42 and the buff usually doesn't allow much hold for the ball, so being able to play deep inside and hold the ball on line was a huge advantage when the lanes got really dry the last game of league last night.

tankantc · « **Reply #27 on:** March 06, 2007, 09:42:14 PM »

Drilled this with the basic #1 drilling. I am a med/high rev player with above average ball speed and a very high track. This is by far without any doubt the best ball I have drilled since the first Turbo/X. I simply can not miss with this ball. If it goes out, it comes back, pulled inside it slides and still hits everywhere. Last two tournaments was one of only 3 people in the +180 range and the other two, throwing NV's.

Best ball Ebonite has ever made, and may be the best ball anyone has ever made. I have just ordered another. Can't wait to drill it!!
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I'd rather be golfing, but its tough under 12 feet of snow!!:cool

Riverkeeper · « **Reply #28 on:** March 06, 2007, 10:39:26 PM »

The drilling is basic, "label leverage" with a weight hole about four inches to the right of the centerpoint of the span. The PIN is squarely at the top of the finger holes, centered between them.

I'm a right-hander, the ball is #16. My average over the last ten years has been between 201 and 212, tending downward the last few years.

I have four games on this ball in league competition: 225, 247, 216, 267.

This ball gives me the best read of the lanes I've had in many years. Amazing.

I renewed my arsenal this past month, buying a Black Widow the Total NV, the Hammer Doom. The Black Widow stayed home, amazing as it is. The Doom is a wonderful ball for slightly drier lanes. But the Total NV leaves me a bit speechless. What a strong pearl ball!

erikspice · « **Reply #29 on:** March 07, 2007, 10:24:28 AM »

First of all I'd like to thank Greg at the Burnsville Pro shop for recommending this ball to me. I went in looking for a new ball and without hesitation he told me to purchase the Total NV. I didn't have any time to practice with it before league so I thought last night was going to be a "learn as I go" session and didn't expect too much but to get used to my new ball. Well.....I rolled a 214, 225, and a 235 for a 674 my first 3 games with this ball. This ball is simply amazing. If I would have been able to convert a few more spares I would have had a 700 easily. If I missed to the right, it still hooked in the pocket. If I missed to the left, it seemed to hold the line and stay at least high flush to avoid splits. It also carries very well, and hits like a freight train. I will only get better with this ball. I average 202 right now but I'm certain I'll be able to increase that by at least 10 pins with the Total NV. I dont know about drilling patterns and all that technical stuff, I'll leave that to Greg at the Pro Shop, but I HIGHLY recommend this ball to all bowlers no matter what your style is. I've never rolled anything but Ebonite and Ball's like the Total NV is why.

handshake300 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 09, 2007, 08:46:29 AM »

Just got one drilled out, and it opens up the lane like no ball I have ever rolled. This will easily be "Ball of the Year!"

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