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TPC Shooter
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
Line: TPC

Color: Purple

Coverstock: Reactive

Core: 2-piece Asymmeterical

RG: 2.50

Differential: 0.058

Factory finish: Polished

Weights: 14 thru 16lbs

 

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Re: TPC Shooter
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2003, 01:14:22 PM »
The Shooter is one of the smoothest balls I have thrown in a while. It checks up earlier than the Warrior, but still delivers the hit to carry very well.

The propeller core provides carry on ten pins that I thought would never go out and makes the pins fly across the pindeck like crazy. This core has given me more scouts than any other ball that I have thrown.

I am looking forward to using this ball a lot this summer.

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Re: TPC Shooter
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2003, 09:48:52 AM »
The TPC Shooter is a great ball for friction.  On tour this ball had some major play on the 35 foot pattern (E) and the 37 foot pattern (A).  This ball definetly gives you a smooth arc type roll, and is very controlable.  I have one with a 6 inch pin, and a 4 1/4 inch pin, and they both roll fantastic.  I definetly like this ball if you drill it a little weaker, polished or with surface, this ball is a winner...

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Re: TPC Shooter
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2003, 12:11:01 PM »
16 lb. Shooter (Original release-light purple cover)
pin out 2.5
top unknown

Layout:
5 1/2 x 6
Pin under middle finger, label kicked negative about 1/2 inch. PSA in weak position, thumb neg. quadrant. Middle finger tapped deeper to bring side weight to flat. Less than 1/4 oz. thumb.

Awesome control ball! Controllable, good hit for a not-so-defined backend move.

First used it on wood lanes, house shot. 38 feet, 10 to 10 wall. I was able to get inside the oil line and create good area. Not the best idea to wing it right-it doesn't come back hard enough to swish pins. However, held in it will hit with Mack Truck-like authority.

Used it next on tournament shot-synthetics, 40 feet, OB outside 10. Couldn't use it early...too high of volume to get any roll. Would skid too much and hit pocket weakly if at all...Tried to set it short, and it was just too squirrely. After the track got defined (after about 10 bakers games) I could stay inside the track and get great roll, standing on 30 throwing over 20 at the arrows, coming up the back of the ball. Hit was great, carry was impressive in a house in where carry is never a given.

Definitely a good ball. I've always been leary of Ebonite stuff, but this one is the one that started to change my mind. Usually my first ball out now. I feel comfortable with it and can use it deep into a tournament without struggle. 9.5 out of 10.

Good one Ebonite. Might try the Warrior next.

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Re: TPC Shooter
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2003, 05:43:34 PM »
Mine is set up with rev leverage (pin 1" down and 1" right of ring finger, balance hole 1" under PAP), and sanded to 800 grit. I tried it with box finish and it was too squirrelly with this strong layout and strong core. At 800 grit, this is one strong ball. It flares about 6-7", gets decent length but doesn't skid past the break point, and turns the corner very hard. I've got about 15 games on it and the carry has been incredible. I plan to get another one, leave it with box finish, and drill it fairly weak. I think this ball could be set up to do most anything.

My league shot is a Christmas Tree type pattern on wood, and with the humidity here it burns up quick. I might start out playing 15-8 with this ball, and finish inside, maybe 25-12. With either of those two lines, or anything I play in between, this ball recovers very strong, doesn't overreact, and sustains a lot of energy for the end.
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Re: TPC Shooter
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2003, 08:47:24 PM »
I must admit, this is the first Ebonite ball I have drilled for myself (except a Low Flare Stinger) since my Predator and both Matrix Dominators died.

    I was looking for something very specific and thought that the unique core design of this ball might allow me to create that reaction.  I can tell you that I was able to create the reaction I was looking for and although I am very happy with it, I have only put about 30 games on the Shooter and am reserving judgement on it until I know better what it's life span will be.

    I have wanting to find a ball that I would be able to play straighter up the boards with for some time.  Although that sounds simple, for me it has not been so.  The lanes I bowl on most often (synthetic with dry back ends) seem to transition too quickly for most of my other equipment.  I wanted something stable, like a pin axis ball but that would go longer than that pattern does.  When I saw the core diagram for the TPC Shooter, I thought that this ball might make that possible.  I drilled the ball with the pin under the left finger, which put it 6" from my p.a.p.  I then placed the mb beyond the val but up high, so it was more in line with my p.a.p.  That meant the c.g. on the ball I used was almost even with the finger holes but thanks to the fact I used a very low top weight, I simply drilled the fingers deeper to eliminate the excess finger weight. I also needed a small balance hole, which I placed on my axis, it was 7/8" x 2" deep, resulting weights were 1/2 finger and 1/4 positive.   I sanded the shell with my ball track using 800, 1200 and 1500 grit and then polished the shell using Ebonite's 'Factory Finish' ball polish to a high gloss.

    What I had was just what I had hoped for, a very stable rolling ball that produced superior Len but that reacted on the back end like a pin-axis ball, very smooth.  The carry has been as good as any ball I own and as mentioned, so far so good with respect to any loss of reaction or carry.  

    I have been able to play straight up the track on nights where I otherwise would have been playing third arrow or deeper.  I also can play outside the track, provided there isn't too much dry near the channel, there the ball can over react on shots missed right.  I am not able to swing the ball more than four or five boards but again, that is not how I set the ball up.  

    This is by far the most specific ball review I have ever posted but perhaps it can still be a help to someone looking for a similar reaction.  I am a player who throws between 17.5 and 19 mph with between 19 and 21 revolutions, minimal axis tilt and approximately 45-65 degrees of axis rotation.

    If you have any questions regarding this or any other of our reviews, e-mail us at: proshop@bowlero.com

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Re: TPC Shooter
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2004, 03:03:54 AM »
Awwrrigght!!

First review for me, just back into bowling after a 15 year layoff, things have changed!!

Well, I don't know about the pin placement or the drilling specs, I just tell the man what I want it to do and leave that up to him.  

I'm heavy handed so I have had some issues finding something to keep on the lanes so I've had to purchase a few new balls to check out what the possibilities are. The TPC Player was never intended to be my out of the bag first ball but I was pleasantly suprised to find the consistency in both the roll and forgiveness in the backends.  

I usually swing standing around 38 and toss 20-12 and have it come around in the pocket.  I have actually been more accurate a little more left and coming up straighter in the oil.  This ball holds all the way and hits the pocket very nicely.  I have yet to have this ball roll out on me no matter what the ball speed or revs on the ball.  Shot at the house is usually dry on wood lanes but this one sits up nice as long as I don't get froggy and venture outsid 10 board.  Well, that's it.  

I'd say so far out of the 7 new balls I've tried, this one is a 9 of 10.  

Gotta love that EBAY.

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Re: TPC Shooter
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2004, 01:26:34 AM »
I just can't take this ball out of my bag. I recently purchased 7 different bowling balls from the heavy oil balls to the pearls for handling light oil conditions and this ball always makes the cut on which three balls will go with me in my bag. I'm fortunate enough to have a variety of lane surfaces and conditions within 5 miles of my house. This ball works on all lane surfaces and works well.


When the Eliminator is hooking out of the building or the lanes are fried, this little jewel shines for me. I've used it in medium heavy to sahara conditions and have always been able to find the pocket and carry hits with it. I've pointed it straight up the 10 board as well as winged it out to the 5 board from 20 and know that if I hit the pocket, I'll carry the shot. Never had it die or roll out on me.

I have it drilled with the pin just over my ring finger with a large weight hole on the other side. I believe it's drilled for length with max flare potential. The ball surface is easy to adjust and it adjusts well to changes in it's cover. I currently have a grey scotbrite surface which I believe is about 1000 grit.

I've recommended this ball to just about everybody. If your on a budget and want to have a very versatile ball that can adapt to your game or your house conditions, this is the one you should have!! You can pick this ball up on ebay for about $40.
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Re: TPC Shooter
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2004, 02:41:00 PM »
I found a used 15 lbs TPC Shooter on ebay in excellent condition (early version, light purple shell) and got it for about EUR 40,- (currently less than US$ 50,-). Some leftover Shooters are as of this writing still on sale in Germany for EUR 150,- upwards, plus drilling. So, I thought this should be a good purchase for medium-oily to medium-dry lane conditions and make a good complement to my TPC Player which I like very much for oilier shots.

About me:
Style = Stroker/mild Tweener, right-handed
Speed = 13,5-14,5 mph
PAP = 5" & 7/8"^
Axis tilt = 18,7°
Revs = 250-300 RPM at release
For more details, check out my profile, please.


Ball setup:

My Shooter is slightly pin-out (distance riser pin to CG = 2 1/4"). When I received it, it was already drilled with what I found out was a leverage drilling for a low track player (due to the high x-hole and odd pin and CG placement, see below). Well, I decided to stick with it because the holes and the span almost fit perfectly (only a small finger correction was necessary), and the drilling with pin under the fingers would match the light to medium conditions I'd want to play with the Shooter.

The ball was/is drilled 4" pin from my PAP (the original PAP was much higher than mine), the pin ended up 1" at 5 o'clock of my ring finger. CG kicked out 2" from midlane, which puts the PSA at ~45° from my PAP. For a high tracker like me the drilling results in an early rolling, rather arcing, controllable reaction.
A small X-hole (1" wide and deep) was added by the previous owner on his PAP to make ball legal. Due to my higher track and lower PAP the original hole now decreases track flare for me - a good choice, and one hole less to fill! The X-hole is now probably 2" above and 1/1" behind my PAP.
Finger inserts (oval rubber) and thumb slug (the former one, only needed some small filing to fit) completed the preparations. Surface was slightly polished to match box condition.

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* = Pin
# = CG
m = mass bias/PSA marker
x = X-hole


Ball picture: http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3473657

Testing program:

First deployment, even before I got it adjusted for my span at my pro shop, was in a house with old wood lanes and a light/medium length oil pattern. I was very impressed! I only made a few frames to check the ball and its reaction before it went into "surgery", but the first shot with the ball was directly a strike and the following frames showed a very predictable path and breakpoint with great pin carry.
Unfortunately, the house was revamped shortly thereafter and bears now AMF synths with a heavy oil crown pattern, so this is the only (short) wood experience I can tell about.

In another local house with a medium-light 30-35' THS it is 1st choice. With my early reaction setup the ball benefits greatly from dry outside boards. It will move a lot and recover from almost anywhere, crushing the pin deck with great carry. Typical shot in this house is standing at 29+ (up to 35th board!) with my right shoe tip and playing across 3rd arrow or even deeper. Finding confidende in the recovery abilities of this ball, I can get it out to 5-7th board where it will break after 32-36' down the lane and roar back to the pocket.

I am able to create much room for error and carry with this ball on a lighter condition like this, and it is surprising how long the ball can be kept in play - even if it does not bring back any oil tracks anymore! But also the TPC Shooter has its limits: When it gets too dry, it will leave ugly splits as a dire sign to change to a milder ball. But it takes long to get that dire!

I also tried it on one of my regular houses with a medium-heavy 40' sports pattern on Brunswick synth lanes... Well, the (old) Shooter does NOT like much or long oil at all. With my normal throwing style it went almost dead straight, skidding long. At the oil end it started rolling, but did not grip and only hooked slightly, missing its breakpoint. The Shooter wanted to work, but did not find traction and lost its power. Maybe the later (darker) version of the Shooter is less oil sensitive? The early one with a glossy surface is definitively not an oil ball. But playing it straight from 22nd board over 3rd arrow worked fine, even on this tough shot for this ball.


Conclusions:

From my experiences so far, I give it a solid 9 out of 10 on light to medium conditions, as well as on short medium patterns and on burnt longer/heavier patterns. I can only give it a mere 4 or 5 out of 10 on fresh, heavier conditions or long oil: too much oil will simply let the Shooter skid without control, at least with a polished surface. I do not know if sanding will help -some voices in this section sound positive about this.


Lane utility for tested ball (pattern length vs. oil volume):

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|+ X X| Light volume
|X X 0| Medium volume
|+ 0 0| Heavy volume

Legend:
X = Best suited with effective control & carry
+ = Fairly suited (works, somehow, but lacks control)
0 = Unsuited (ineffective, either slips or burns up)


The chart concept is borrowed from Storm's 2003 catalogue. Surface prep and drillings may change the results, it is just personal experience with my style

The TPC Shooter is a very good and useful ball for light to medium conditions - for experienced players. I found, like with my TPC Player, that it is quite release-senstive. When I had it "new" and my release had more flaws, I struggled very often to keep the Shooter in the pocket. I hated the ball for this... One year later I must admit that it was just me and that you can do a lot with this ball, just by doing some "finger dancing" and changing hand and wrist positions. It's great!

Additionally, the drill pattern and the Propeller core's position generally seem to be very influential for the ball's overall reaction, even though it just has a low mass bias. This confirms my impression of the TPC ball series that a player who wants to take advantage of these balls' potential needs a consistent release. Nevertheless, if lane conditions and your game match, this is a killer (and a precise one, too)! The high sensitivity to release changes can be a drawback - the ball WILL do what you make it do!

For me, the TPC Shooter is a very good option for late games on my sport shot league or the occasion that there is not much oil out there at all. I am happy that I can rely on it as soon as the track loses too much oil for more aggressive balls, because the Shooter keeps me easily in play and scoring until the end of the day. I also found it handy when I face high humidity in summer league, when the general back end grip level rises and my stronger balls burn out or move just too much and unpredictably. Then, it becomes a good choice for the flat medium 40' sports pattern I mentioned before. The early roll drilling is just perfect for this job.
For real dry conditions this ball is way too much unless you give it a truly weak drilling. No wonder that Ebonite added the Shooter XL.

I like it very much, because it reacts like a solid reactive should do: not itchy, nice midlane read, wonderful backend if I give it some hand and a spread index finger. With some training, this is a strong and versatile ball which can be made to move a lot or go straight with a late arcing move - just by release changes. It has a place in my tournament bag for sure and I do not see a replacement need (or option) so far.

Underlining "Inverted 1"'s entry from 7/13/2004, I must agree: if you find a TPC Shooter in good condition at a reasonable price, this ball is still a good choice and a versatile addition for your ball arsenal. But you must be able to handle it properly with a consistent release.

on edit 12/05:
Only drawbacks so far (if there is any) is the coverstock's tendency do pick up any dirt and grime from the lane and the mechanics and bring it back. But maybe it's just a subjective impression due to the polished single color, light purple coverstock? Doing some regular cleaning is enough to keep it clean, though.
Additionally, I think that any polish on this ball weras off much easier than on other. Again, this can just be a visual misguidance through the single light color and the use on short oil, but I cannot get rid of this impression...
But, as with all of my other Ebonite balls so far (TPC Player, XXcel), my TPC Shooter has not lost any power yet. Nice piece!

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Edited on 26.09.2011 at 7:45 AM
DizzyFugu ~ Reporting from Germany

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Re: TPC Shooter
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2004, 06:42:11 PM »
got this ball on ebay for like 40 bucks but i havent got it drilled any thought?? the house i shoot at r oiled 10 to 10 med heavy im a lefty so carrydown isnt a big factor . i like to stand second to the last dot and throw accross the 7 board. any i deas let me know thanks

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Re: TPC Shooter
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2005, 08:32:57 PM »
This is my review of the Ebonite Shooter.
I don't know all the numbers on the ball but i had it at 5" span from ring finger to thumb. I am a stroker throwing at the 8th board. (lefty). I was throwing some nice shots with it. I just got it and went bowling with it STRAIGHT outta the box. I didn't get it brand new, the holes were already drilled, i used some rosin for my thumb hole but i was doing very well. I give this ball 9.5/10. It really carried on almost any shot for me but if you hit dead one, i saw a couple 4-6-7s and one 7-10. only opens of the day, this ball is coming out of the bag FIRST
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Re: TPC Shooter
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2009, 09:55:51 AM »


This is my 1st Ebonite ball since my Gyro-I I received in 1970, and I am very happy with it.

I have found I can use this ball in almost any condition on any surface at all except when lanes are very dry across the boards, it needs to find some oil to play and react well.

When oil pattern is heavy and wide, I can still get the ball to move early enough with speed and pitch adjustment to get the ball to react earlier and have strong carry at lower ball speeds, which is a huge bonus for me as I do not like changing balls.

When natural wood lanes start drying out, can move out and get a great reaction and carry across the track with an increase in speed to hold line. This is one of my favorite shots that with other balls I was not able to score well at all.

This balls hard finish has made my 7-pins go away and has raised my average to show this advantage.

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