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hatehvyoil

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adrenaline wipes
« on: December 23, 2011, 01:38:44 AM »

Just received a supply of adrenaline wipe from buddies. Watched the video on powerhouse site about them. According to video they don’t clean your ball but increase oil absorption. Sounds like if that’s the case, might have to do more cleaning and oil extraction service on ball than before. Anybody try them yet?

 


 

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Re: adrenaline wipes
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2011, 12:23:52 PM »
Tried them once so far.
Nice heavy duty vinyl, zip lock pack.
Smell inside pack, not bad at all.
Awkward to remove: they are folded in half, but are all connected like a paper towel roll, with perforations. Had to remove all of them, unfold them, and tear one off. Then put all the rest back into the vinyl pouch. Kind of tedious and awkward.
 
They do remove oil. In fact, of all the cleaners approved for use DURING bowling that I have tried, these appear, in this initial use, to actually remove oil lines embedded into the ball. The only ones to do that are the ones approved for after or before bowling: Clean n Dull, Hook-It, and Lanemasters cleaner.
 
So far so good.
 
I had to rub for 15 - 20 seconds to remove the oil lines. Normally, one would rub for 3 or 4 seconds with the above stronger cleaners on one 5" - 6" section. With cleaners approved during bowling, you coudl rub for hours and not remove the oil lines.
 
Smell: after cleaning 2 balls thoroughly, the smell did get to me and I am not particularly sensitive to this, and similar, like Lanemasters, which bothers a lot of people. I immediately took the used wipe out to the garage garbage pail.
 
The wipe is a slightly rough, orange colore, loosely woven cloth and is well soaked with the cleaner. There was plenty to easily do the 2 complete balls I wanted to do. I might have been able to do a 3rd ball, but the smell got to me.
 
I'd advise anyone to do this in a well ventilated area or with open windows.
 
Feel: although this is supposed to be water soluble, it felt slightly oily, not much at all. In the future, I will use a latex, nitrile or rubber glove when applying it.
 
So far, so good, overall.


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Edited by charlest on 12/23/2011 at 3:06 PM
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Re: adrenaline wipes
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 12:58:26 PM »
They very well could be a very good cleaner, but their marketing sounds like mumbo jumbo.  Deep cleaning will allow the ball to absorb more oil since there will be more pores available to absorb the oil.  Nothing wrong with advertising them as a high end cleaner.

 

"Powerhouse Adrenaline Ball Steroid Wipes use a micro-pore penetrating action that safely restores and increases oil absorption in all reactive bowling balls. In addition to increasing oil absorption, research shows that over time, without re-surfacing a ball, Adrenaline enhances ball reaction.

Chemically enhances bowling ball reaction over time without surface adjustments. Improves oil absorption on reactive coverstock. Convenient to store and use. Approved for use during USBC competition.


Decreased Length, Increased Backend and Increased Hook."
 

They almost imply that they are doing something chemically to change how the ball absorbs oil.  Once the ball has cured, nothing added to the surface is going to change the chemical composition of the ball.


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Re: adrenaline wipes
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2011, 01:08:07 PM »
I ordered some for the shop and tried them out when they arrived.  Appeared to work but like already mentioned, a pain in the butt to separate and the smell is horrible. 



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Re: adrenaline wipes
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 02:05:24 PM »

 But resins are kind of like a Lacquer finish on a car: they never truly finish curing. The process is ongoing, as far as I have heard.
Nails wrote on 12/23/2011 1:58 PM:
They very well could be a very good cleaner, but their marketing sounds like mumbo jumbo.  Deep cleaning will allow the ball to absorb more oil since there will be more pores available to absorb the oil.  Nothing wrong with advertising them as a high end cleaner.

 

"Powerhouse Adrenaline Ball Steroid Wipes use a micro-pore penetrating action that safely restores and increases oil absorption in all reactive bowling balls. In addition to increasing oil absorption, research shows that over time, without re-surfacing a ball, Adrenaline enhances ball reaction.

Chemically enhances bowling ball reaction over time without surface adjustments. Improves oil absorption on reactive coverstock. Convenient to store and use. Approved for use during USBC competition.


Decreased Length, Increased Backend and Increased Hook."
 

They almost imply that they are doing something chemically to change how the ball absorbs oil.  Once the ball has cured, nothing added to the surface is going to change the chemical composition of the ball.


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Re: adrenaline wipes
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 03:01:35 PM »

 



charlest wrote on 12/23/2011 3:05 PM:

 But resins are kind of like a Lacquer finish on a car: they never truly finish curing. The process is ongoing, as far as I have heard.





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I've read that as well, but even if it's true, it must be extremely slow or else ball's characteristics would change over time.  If this ongoing change causes 'ball death", I'm sure we'd have heard about it by now.  In any case, if their statement is true, I'd be even more apprehensive about using it.  Who wants to play with the internal chemistry of a finished product?  Has it only been tested on the additives and curing products that Ebonite uses?  Again, if it's true, how would it act on other manufacturers products?

 

I'm more comfortable thinking it's a super deep cleaner that gets oil out of pores that other (surface only) cleaners can't.


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Re: adrenaline wipes
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2011, 01:51:58 AM »
Asked the question about curing. Answer, 99 % of curing is done by the time the ball is placed in the box.
Have the new wipes on order. Looking forward to trying them out.


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Re: adrenaline wipes
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2011, 04:52:15 PM »
These wipes really work. Give them a try, you will not be disappointed.


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Re: adrenaline wipes
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2011, 09:05:34 PM »
Interesting part of the advertisement for the wipes:
 
"Decreased Length, Increased Backend and Increased Hook. "
 
Decreased length? Because it changes the chemical absorption capability of the cover stock???


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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2011, 11:09:43 PM »
Getting 'em tomorrow.

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Re: adrenaline wipes
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2011, 12:52:17 AM »
What the wipes do, is to clear the oil out of the top of the cover and then open up the pores of the ball to increase oil absorption. Increased oil absorption of course leads to increased hook. Honestly we have used it on a couple of balls, and everyone has said there ball hooks more. Personally if you use this regularly after every 12-15 games, you will never have a ball die on you. Used them on older balls, but they didn't work as well as they did on the newer balls. As for me, I used a ball that had about 200 games on it, and it gave me 3 more boards of hook. So far I have had about 8 games on the ball since using the wipe, and it is still hooking just as much.

 


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Re: adrenaline wipes
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2011, 07:03:46 AM »
Thank you for your experience in this matter, Curt.
 
Personally I do not like the idea of any of those 3 changes in my bowling balls' capabilities: decreased length, more backend and more overall hook. If I did, I would buy another ball. 3 more boards of hook is another class of ball. I do not get all weak in the knees and start dancing in the aisles when I see a ball cover more boards.
 
I want my bowling balls to remain as they are. That's why I bought them, that's why I drilled the way I did, that's why I have the surface where I have it NOW.
 
I'd like my bowling balls not to lose power, BUT I do not want to increase their power. If this is the case, I will restrict my testing of Adrenaline wipes to one or two specific balls and see what happens. 
 
Curt_Dupre wrote on 12/29/2011 1:52 AM:
What the wipes do, is to clear the oil out of the top of the cover and then open up the pores of the ball to increase oil absorption. Increased oil absorption of course leads to increased hook. Honestly we have used it on a couple of balls, and everyone has said there ball hooks more. Personally if you use this regularly after every 12-15 games, you will never have a ball die on you. Used them on older balls, but they didn't work as well as they did on the newer balls. As for me, I used a ball that had about 200 games on it, and it gave me 3 more boards of hook. So far I have had about 8 games on the ball since using the wipe, and it is still hooking just as much.

 


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Re: adrenaline wipes
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2011, 07:11:52 AM »
Perhaps his claim was based on comparisons between a ball that had zero maintenance on it and then using the wipes on that ball.  Increasing performance is all relative to the beginning level the ball was at.

 

I also agree with you Charlest, all I want is the ball to perform the way it was intended to for as long as possible.  And if it were to lose some performance, hopefully it is a slow death.
 



charlest wrote on 12/29/2011 8:03 AM:
Thank you for your experience in this matter, Curt.

 

Personally I do not like the idea of any of those 3 changes in my bowling balls' capabilities: decreased length, more backend and more overall hook. If I did, I would buy another ball. 3 more boards of hook is another class of ball. I do not get all weak in the knees and start dancing in the aisles when I see a ball cover more boards.

 

I want my bowling balls to remain as they are. That's why I bought them, that's why I drilled the way I did, that's why I have the surface where I have it NOW.

 

I'd like my bowling balls not to lose power, BUT I do not want to increase their power. If this is the case, I will restrict my testing of Adrenaline wipes to one or two specific balls and see what happens. 

 



Curt_Dupre wrote on 12/29/2011 1:52 AM:
What the wipes do, is to clear the oil out of the top of the cover and then open up the pores of the ball to increase oil absorption. Increased oil absorption of course leads to increased hook. Honestly we have used it on a couple of balls, and everyone has said there ball hooks more. Personally if you use this regularly after every 12-15 games, you will never have a ball die on you. Used them on older balls, but they didn't work as well as they did on the newer balls. As for me, I used a ball that had about 200 games on it, and it gave me 3 more boards of hook. So far I have had about 8 games on the ball since using the wipe, and it is still hooking just as much.


 


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Re: adrenaline wipes
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2011, 10:06:37 AM »
IMO, some are asking for the impossible. A ball can not hook on oil, only slow down. A ball will not hook until it
loses speed. If a ball does not remove oil, it does not react. That oil must go somewhere. All balls will lose some of it's reaction as it removes the lane oil. With today's high scoring pace, most don't get anything done to their equipment. The new wipes are simply a tool to help maintain your reaction.
Just like all the tools available, some will love it, some hate it.
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Re: adrenaline wipes
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2011, 10:49:17 AM »
Exactly BallDoc. I am going to be honest. I really don't clean my bowling balls. But I also really haven't had a ball die on me unless it had about 400 games on it. What I am saying is people have been complaining for years that there balls die to quick for instance any dull bowling ball. This adrenaline wipe will allow the ball to have open pores all the time which will in turn lead to WAY longer ball longevity. I mean yes I got 3 more boards of hook. But the ball also had lost some of its hitting power before I used the wipe. Now the ball is going through the pins a lot harder. Grab a ball of yours that has lost some of its power. Use the wipe and then you will see the power is back end the ball. We have had a lot of discussion about this product and what it does. Ever had a ball that seemed like it stopped hooking, then you left it in your house for some months and magically it started working again? My thoughts, is that when you leave the ball alone, it allows the oil to seep deeper into the cover instead of staying on top. Well the wipes do the same thing except it takes only 20-30 seconds. And it also removes the oil.


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