Author Topic: All done with Ebo (Read 15800 times)

Greg T · « **on:** October 03, 2007, 03:28:46 PM »

I have been with Ebo for many years and have just made the decision to drop them completely. Although they fit my game to a T I am sick and tired of buying thr to four of the same balls every year. 6 weeks is the max I can get. I now own two perfectly great looking TNVs that turned into twig or spare balls. Cant get them to hook more than 5 boards. Every Ebo I have had in the last 10 years has been the same and I just cannot justify spending this much money anymore.

The reaction is fanatstic and the carry is excellent for the first 15 to 20 games. Then it's all over. I just pulled mine out tonight after a thorough soaking, cleaning, resurfacing using all the recommended techniques. Even used the powerhouse factory finish. End result.....targeting the 5 board all night and just barely carrying the rack. Anything closely resembling moving inside, even attempting a track shot would result in missing the headpin on the right.

Don't bother giving me the lectures on the cleaning and upkeep cuz nobody takes better care of their equipment than I do. Period. Ebo is done, Hammer will be my next test.

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tdub36tjt · « **Reply #31 on:** October 04, 2007, 08:40:38 PM »

Is a glazing over of the track area a common thing that happens. I am wondering because I have an infinite one that I have that even with always cleaning and hot water baths I still can't get any reaction from it like when new.

Greg T · « **Reply #32 on:** October 04, 2007, 09:13:37 PM »

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Say Greg, have you tried hitting the ball really, really heavy with with 180 grit wet/dry? Then bringing it back to oob. I'm wondering if the ball is glazing over in the track area, either from the surface being a little soft or the friction from hitting the dry with alot of revs. There has to be a simple reason for this happening but nobody is seeing it. Maybe the pores in the ball are so small the dirt is getting jammed in and wont come out and then just keeps getting pushed farther in. It would be real interesting to look at the surface under some magnification.

Moon

I have de-oiled them and resurfaced one with 180, 360, 500, 1000, 4000, Factory finish. The other went 360, 500, Factory Finish.

Moon, if you look at the photo galleries on the site you'll see a couple of cars on the portable dyno. Mine is the blue 78 Z28 with the ghosted flames.

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strikingresults-atl · « **Reply #33 on:** October 04, 2007, 11:24:16 PM »

Greg T,
Have you tried hook again or a hot water bath treatment?
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Greg T · « **Reply #34 on:** October 05, 2007, 07:54:08 AM »

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Greg T,
Have you tried hook again or a hot water bath treatment?
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Dannial Cohen
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As I stated in my other posts, I have done everything correctly and in accordance with Ebo's instructions. Once gone, gone for good. My son, who can hook plastic, gets a nice smooth reaction out of them and they hit quite well. I suppose if someone was bowling on bone dry backends these would be teriffic balls. All I'm saying is that, on the conditions I encounter, Ebos work fine for about 10 to 15 games as long as you dont touch the cover. Deep clean, resurface, change surface, all over. No hook.

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Grayson · « **Reply #35 on:** October 05, 2007, 09:01:19 AM »

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I had a TNV and it died after like 100 games and my friend had one same thing, but he put it away in his closet for the summer brought it back out and it out hooks all his other balls in his bag again. It was kind of weird. He has a shift and a bwp and it out hooks both those no problem. I don't know why it would do this. My other friend just brought his One out of his closet after a year of being in there and he said it is his strongest ball now after being dead. He has like 8 or 9 high performance balls too.

That is easy to explain... the oil absorbet into the coverstock migrated further into the coverstock leaving a less high amount of oil nearer to the surface... giving the ball again the possibility to absorb oil.

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mainzer · « **Reply #36 on:** October 05, 2007, 09:21:45 AM »

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Might as well skip hammer, track, and columbia because if the covers aren't the same, they are da** close.
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You must check the facts all the companies are using different covers all the R&D Depts are seperate from one another and employees from one are not allowed to enter another. it would be utterly stupid to make the same ball for Four different companies.
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insidedrive · « **Reply #37 on:** October 05, 2007, 09:23:49 AM »

I have to agree with people who say steer clear of hammer. I had a No Mercy that died on me after maybe 50 or 60 games on it. The oil absorption was ridiculous and I lost easily 5-6 boards of hook from the original condition. I've resurfaced etc and nothing helped.

I'm gonna take the advice of the previous poster who mentioned don't mess with the cover, I've got an NVS right now that I'm working with, I'll stick with alcohol and a white scotchbright pad just to take the crap off it and hope that I can keep the life of it running.

Crankenstein300 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 05, 2007, 03:17:08 PM »

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Greg T,

Well maybe you should get a clue and stop touching the surfaces on your balls, you cant expect a ball that comes OB 4000 and when you encounter some oil in the middle to scuff it to 1000 to be the same after you want to bring it back up to 4000. Touching balls surfaces takes off layers of the cover bottomline, I suggest not touching the surfaces and throwing something different when you encounter more oil. I realize that tweaking of the surface can make a ball react good or bad, but its all depending on where, when, and how much oil there is. Soaking it, taking it down, resurfacing will jack up the cover, just think of what you are actually doing to the ball when you resurface it... it will never be the same, so dont expect anything different.

You've got to be kidding. Surface adjustments aren't done near enough in my opinion.

six pack · « **Reply #39 on:** October 05, 2007, 03:47:41 PM »

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Greg T,

Well maybe you should get a clue and stop touching the surfaces on your balls, you cant expect a ball that comes OB 4000 and when you encounter some oil in the middle to scuff it to 1000 to be the same after you want to bring it back up to 4000. Touching balls surfaces takes off layers of the cover bottomline, I suggest not touching the surfaces and throwing something different when you encounter more oil. I realize that tweaking of the surface can make a ball react good or bad, but its all depending on where, when, and how much oil there is. Soaking it, taking it down, resurfacing will jack up the cover, just think of what you are actually doing to the ball when you resurface it... it will never be the same, so dont expect anything different.

WOW!
and to think we have been doing it all wrong for all these years,hmmm.......
as for the EBO covers,they are what they are.people I know includeing me would buy an Ebo ball for the hook but in the back of our minds knew what to expect.my no mercy still hooks but I grew tired of keeping it alive so I retired it and I'm haveing as much if not more sucsess with some used particle balls I picked up cheap and brought back to life.
I read many complaints about particle covers and I think Ebonite reacted on the bad and developed a new cover that works as well,just not as long as particle covers and now they own over half of the bowling industry.it goes on par as with everything else made these days,works better but just for not as long,should be good for their sales,right?
I think the best choices for a new ball would be something from roto grip,Legend,Morich,Brunswick and visionary.as for me,I'm leaning twoards Roto grip,they seem to be makeing stuff I would be interested in right now.
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302efi · « **Reply #40 on:** October 05, 2007, 10:16:45 PM »

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it would be utterly stupid to make the same ball for Four different companies.

Actually it wouldn't...It would be a very cost effective way to lower overhead and still promote "new and different" gear.

To be honest, thats probably what Ebonite is doing.

No matter what they tell "us", changing some names and colors isn't that hard...

You think the TNV and Black Widow Pearl covers are really that different

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When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"

Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...

shiftuneTNV · « **Reply #41 on:** October 08, 2007, 10:57:29 PM »

i have a killer instinct pearl with 500 or more games on it and it has not lost a thing also have a tnv with 70 games on it and still the same ball as when i got it. ebonites are still one of the best balls out there and hammers right next them and remember bowl to win.
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DP3 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 09, 2007, 12:53:05 AM »

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You think the TNV and Black Widow Pearl covers are really that different ......

Yes, considering that the BWP was made months wayyyy before the TNV. Now there's another "ebo-match" rumor floating around about that one but until really proven it's all speculation. As long as it all rolls good, who cares if another ball shares the cover? I really doubt anyone does outside of about 50 people on here.
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kleptic · « **Reply #43 on:** October 09, 2007, 02:51:34 AM »

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Greg T,

Well maybe you should get a clue and stop touching the surfaces on your balls, you cant expect a ball that comes OB 4000 and when you encounter some oil in the middle to scuff it to 1000 to be the same after you want to bring it back up to 4000. Touching balls surfaces takes off layers of the cover bottomline, I suggest not touching the surfaces and throwing something different when you encounter more oil. I realize that tweaking of the surface can make a ball react good or bad, but its all depending on where, when, and how much oil there is. Soaking it, taking it down, resurfacing will jack up the cover, just think of what you are actually doing to the ball when you resurface it... it will never be the same, so dont expect anything different.

strongly disagree

I believe pretty much the exact opposite. OOB finish is not some magical thing they can ony do at the ball factory. with a ball spinner you can do the exact same thing at home.

if you really are cleaning your ball properly I don't see how it could die at all in 50 games.

I think factors involved could definitely be oil volume with a dull ball surface and poor cleaning practices.

I use polish on most my balls. probably stops a lot of oil. and I clean the crap out of my ball every throw with a microfiber towel. I recently switched from a normal towel to a microfiber and the difference is a lot more than I thought it would be. not only can I not see oil after wiping my ball down with it. it really feels tacky again where the oil marks were. amazing towel technology!

I love playing with my ball spinner also. I love keeping the covers looking fresh. I've had no problem with that ruining reaction.

I don't have high revs so I would think that I would be more effected by a ball dying. I really haven't noticed anything though.

302efi · « **Reply #44 on:** October 09, 2007, 07:35:22 AM »

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You think the TNV and Black Widow Pearl covers are really that different ......

Yes, considering that the BWP was made months wayyyy before the TNV. Now there's another "ebo-match" rumor floating around about that one but until really proven it's all speculation. As long as it all rolls good, who cares if another ball shares the cover? I really doubt anyone does outside of about 50 people on here.
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...The Twelve In a Row Pro Shop

You didnt qoute my whole post...

What I'm saying is its smart business just swap some names and colors and now you have a new ball.

Not a bad thing at all !

Since the company has time and money invested in the design of a coverstock, why not put it on more balls ?
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Roto-Grip

When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"

Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...

MrNattyBoh · « **Reply #45 on:** October 11, 2007, 09:22:40 AM »

why dont all of you people that are complaining about coverstocks get a ball that has a strong core to it. simple. problem solved.
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Author Topic: All done with Ebo (Read 15800 times)

Greg T

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