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Neptune66

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Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« on: January 14, 2008, 03:04:29 PM »
Am very happy with the "Raid"'s trajectory (on House shot of medium to medium-heavy oil), but throw approximately 18-20mph with relatively low rev's and it's not very effective for me until sometime into the 2nd game of league. Thought of having the surface changed for an earlier roll in the 1st game, but then I might be sacrificing the great matchup it gives me in the 2nd and 3rd games.

So, I bought an "Anger", and it's great in the 1st game, but even polished I usually have to put it away after that, as I tend to send it Brooklyn a lot.

I really did not set out to buy 3 new balls or even 2, and yet find myself reading the reviews here daily, hoping to spot a ball that fits nicely between the Raid and the Anger, and is more skid/flip than arcing, that I could use for all 3 games.

I have older equipment that I still use ("Storm Triple X", "Storm Xtreme", "Brunswick Command Zone", "Ebonite Big One", etc.), but searching for something as an eventual replacement for one of them, and to compliment my newest balls (Anger and Raid) that seem to be much more "condition specific" than I anticipated....even though they ARE excellent when those conditions are present.

Not looking for magical answer either. Just interested in any feedback at all...especially from anyone who has used some of the same equipment.

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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2008, 07:15:58 AM »
Sounds like you have a pretty good combo there. The Anger for the 1st game to game and a half the the Raid for the rest of the set. Nothing says you have to throw the same ball all three games. But the Black Widow Solid would fit the bill for what you are looking for. It would be earlier than the Raid but not as early as the Anger and give you that snap you are looking for.IMHO!

Neptune66

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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2008, 06:46:37 AM »
Sorry I didn't get a chance to get back here sooner.

I had been eyeing the the Black Widow Solid for a long time. Everything I heard about it's performance I liked, and even saw a couple people throw it (though thye have much higher revs than me). But also have been hearing that it [aledgedly] absorbs a lot of oil and thus needs a lot of maintenance, and that kind of diminished my enthusiasm. I do regular cleaning immediately after each set of games, but am kind of lazy when it comes to giving my equipment hot baths or cooking it in the oven.

The Big One has been a disapointment in that regard. It ended up being cleaned several times due to trouble with the fit and multiple re-fits. So it would come to life right after one of those (having been cleaned and plugged), and then kind of settle down again ----not what I had in mind with that purchase.

Anyway... thank you for your reply. I still may take another look at the BWS, but would prefer lower maintenance.

Neptune66

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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2008, 05:30:02 AM »
At first my reaction to your post was kind of "yeah... that answers my question about which ball" etc...,but you are right.  I'm still window shopping for another ball, but I should also learn (re-learn) to make an adjustment so I CAN use the Raid earlier on in league. In fact, I DID do that successfully a few weeks ago (slowing down my feet significantly and delivering the ball practically at the gutter ---in the dry). It worked, but I must have felt it was too much work, and never tried that again.

Time to try that again, even while being on the lookout for another weapon.

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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2008, 05:49:16 AM »
You can also try to open up the surface of the Raid a little more, so that it handles more oil and can be used earlier? If you feel that it is just a minor notch that you need to feel comfortable - e.g. 4.000 or 2.000 grit Abralon without polish. I found that such changes can alter a lot about a ball's utility.

A surface change (which can be re-done at any time) might prevent some extra money fo a ball that might fill only a small gap in your arsenal?

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Neptune66

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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2008, 08:02:44 AM »
I don't fully understand all the different surface changes that are possible these days. I do know that the higher the grit number, the shinier the surface and the more delayed the ball's reaction will be. And I did have the surface dulled up (grit taken down from the 4000 OOB finish) fairly soon after the purchase. I'm just not real well versed in the differences between Abralon and Scotch Brite finishes, etc.

Also...about a month ago, I was about to bring the ball in to the shop and ask that it be dulled down a bit (grit reduced more), but hesitated and ultimately decided not to. Reasons? Well... the main one was that I liked the reaction so much when the lanes have dried somewhat in the later games, that I was reluctant to potentially sacrifice that reaction to gain some earlier movement in the early games. Maybe that's an un-founded concern and the change would make the ball less condition specific.  Haven't tried it yet, though.

And a silly reason I held off, was that I loved the way the RAID looked OOB. And after the driller dulled it up, I changed my mind and wanted (at least for awhile), to go back to that glossy/shiny appearance and to have the ball go even longer. And he was unable to do that. And I was told the ball will never be that shiny again.

I know it's silly, cause on all my other equipment, their surfaces are NOT based on how they look aesthetically. It's just that I wish I had waited a little longer before making the change, and I didn't think it would be irreversible (unless it's just this driller that doesn't have the means to do so).

Bottom line.... despite all that, I AM still considering changing the surface slightly on the RAID.  But kind of hesitant.

Anyway, thank you for getting me to consider it again.

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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2008, 02:14:52 PM »
im with Gazoo i also have a raid and several other balls and i was missing that skid/flip ball and my proshop driller said same thing go with the widow solid the bite would be good as well but to me i prefer the solid i think it is flippier or even the kinetic would be a good 2nd choice

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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2008, 04:14:50 PM »
The Bite interests me, but sounds as if it's actually stronger than the Anger...rather than between it and the Raid.

Kinetic I was interested in from way back. Then backed off somewhat when some reviews said it didn't like carrydown. At the time I hadn't picked up the Anger yet, and was looking for earlier roll, but now... not so much. Just want the roll to be a shade sooner than the Raid.

I will take another look at both the BWS and Kinetic. Also...one of my favorite all-time balls is still the Storm Triple X-Factor. Something that has the same Pearl/Reactive Polished surface as that ball, but a little stronger would be perfect.

Cosidered ---still am--- the Shift, but then I read a review that it wasn't quite as strong as advertised. Sorry for going off-topic somewhat (non-ebonite balls).

Anyway... thanks.

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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2008, 05:14:23 PM »
yes the bite is stronger than the anger and bws but to me not as flippy as the bws more of a strong arch and i had a shift it was good had 2 of them but drilled diff it was not afraid of carrydown either but i love my bws its drilled skid/flip plus took it down to 1000 then polished it is not afraid of carrydown at all
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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2008, 05:17:23 PM »
Pardon me, but no way on God's green earth any bowler of average capabilities should need 3 different balls for 3 games of league. 2 balls I can understand.

Sand the Raid to 4000 grit matte/dull and it will serve you better than 4000 grit polished, its stock finish. Either that or go to another driller.
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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2008, 08:21:41 PM »
I really think a nice ball that might work for you is the RXS300 I have oned and I really like the skid flip action.  I was also suprised that I could get as much movement out of it as I did.  This was on a THS which gives you 8 boards from the gutter on each side.  The rest is oil.  Once I burn a little track or even if i play straight up but start in the dry the ball has a ton of backend.  I find this has more backend for a skid than the couple of storms I used to have. 

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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2008, 08:30:21 PM »
I agree Neptune66, I had the One and I was not very happy with it at all.  Thats when I went to Dynothane.  I have now gone back to Ebonite as one of my favorite ball makers (along with Lane#1 and Morich).  I got hooked on them when I got the Total NV and what a ball!!!.  Then I got the NVS and that ball is awesome, carry is good, hits hard, and pins fly all over the place.  Because of those I now have on order the Complete NV.  I also got the RXS300 and today I got the Clash for dry lanes.  I am impressed with the Clash.  I practiced with it today out of the box and even on the THS with 8 boards of dry from gutter out and the rest oil I was able get the ball to hook into the pocket and it was drilled without side weight.

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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2008, 08:42:40 PM »
The Immortal Pearl from Visionary.  It has a high revving core yet is more on the skid/flip side.  Plus, their covers last longer than just about anybody elses and soak up very little oil.  VBP balls tend to last for years without having to perform maintenance every 5-10 games to keep the covers clean and keep oil from soaking into the ball.  There is no ball death with VBP.  I do know that this is an Ebonite forum.  However, for what you want in a ball, you may want to try another company.
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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2008, 11:20:35 PM »
i have disagree charlest sometimes depending on how the lanes are running u have pull out a 3rd ball 1 nite i went thru 4 my raid or bws wasnting working so on 1 lane that had alot carrydown i used my battle and the other 1 had to pull out my dark thunder cuz it was hooking to much and this balls goes longer for me so sometimes u have do what goto do

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Re: Ball to fit between Raid / Anger?
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2008, 11:26:38 PM »
and explorer05 why would u recommend the rxs300 not saying its not a good bal so was the sr300 when hes throwing the raid when they are in the same line the raid is jus a stronger cover and more backend if anything i would do another raid but do a skid/flippy drill on it cuz to me the raid is ebonite answer to the bws even tho they are same company
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