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charlest

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Balls of lasting value?
« on: May 10, 2015, 07:33:24 AM »
Brunswick had the Danger Zone, Inferno & Mastermind.
Hammer had the Black Widow and the Vibe.
Roto-Grip had the Cell and the Nomad.
Storm had Hy-Road and the Virtual Gravity.
AMF had the Night Hawk.

Each of these balls was such a mainstay for that manufacturer, that many, many versions of each of these very famous series were manufactured. They rode the coattails of the original.

It seems like Ebonite's one "famous" ball was the Vortex 2, the basis for the Gamebreaker and Cyclone series. Now it's 15 years later; the Vortex 2 was introduced in 2000. They seem to be stuck with this as their sole legacy.
It almost appears as if this is the only item keeping Ebonite afloat these days.

I'm sure every Ebonite fan will claim several other balls are equally great; while that may be true, no other ball comes close in sales, which is the bottom line.

I know there are some very talented people still at Ebonite; why can't they hit that magic formula again? Is it just marketing or is there some other reason?

This is not a rant; it's more a statement of sadness, that a once great company has not been able to rise from the ashes, as has most other ball manufacturers. I wish I knew why. Except for a Cyclone, I have not found one Ebonite brand ball that was truly useful for me int he past 10 years or so.
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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2015, 02:23:47 PM »
Over the past 15 years, I occasionally picked a ball from one of their popular lines to give it a shot... Apex line, TPC line, Vortex line, Optyx,  etc.  Could never seem to match up with anything.  The only possible exception was the NVS...which I did actually like.

I always assume I am pretty representative of the general population with equipment that matches...   maybe this is why?

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dougb

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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2015, 02:33:52 PM »
Quite honestly the only Ebonite balls I ever see getting thrown are the Nitro series balls. And some of the old-timers still kill the THS shot with them!

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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2015, 09:17:52 AM »
the One was a big seller. it did a lot of winning on tour that year too.

charlest

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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2015, 12:59:02 PM »
the One was a big seller. it did a lot of winning on tour that year too.

That ball was fairly good for Ebonite, but, still, even that was 10 years ago now.
Like the Mission, they tried to keep the series alive but no successor was even close to the original in sales or utility.
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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2015, 01:20:38 PM »
the One was a big seller. it did a lot of winning on tour that year too.

That ball was fairly good for Ebonite, but, still, even that was 10 years ago now.
Like the Mission, they tried to keep the series alive but no successor was even close to the original in sales or utility.

The Cyclones are the "successor" to the One if that can be considered the case. It is very rare that a ball will last 10 years, but I know that the One ran it's course and was pretty successful and the NV series was the follow up and had moderate success. I think right now it's just a general shift in who the market believes is better based on market dominance and right now Storm/Roto Grip is king.
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Gene J Kanak

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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2015, 03:45:24 PM »
I think that these things tend to go in cycles. I'm 35 going on 36, and during my 25 or so years of closely paying attention to bowling balls, I can remember times when just about all of of the "major players" were on top at one point or another. Sure, some companies have managed to stay up there longer and/or more frequently, but all of them have been there at one point or another. Long story short, it's true that Ebonite seems to be in something of a dry spell; nevertheless, it won't shock me at all if they get things rolling and become a major player/seller again. It's happened before, and it will probably happen again at some point.
 

charlest

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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2015, 04:11:11 PM »
I think that these things tend to go in cycles. I'm 35 going on 36, and during my 25 or so years of closely paying attention to bowling balls, I can remember times when just about all of of the "major players" were on top at one point or another. Sure, some companies have managed to stay up there longer and/or more frequently, but all of them have been there at one point or another. Long story short, it's true that Ebonite seems to be in something of a dry spell; nevertheless, it won't shock me at all if they get things rolling and become a major player/seller again. It's happened before, and it will probably happen again at some point.
 

I certainly hope so, but it seems dubious at best right now. Unless something very dramatic (sudden and positive) happens to them soon, it seems more like the beginning of the end for the brand.
(I think their subordinate brands are doing better than they are, but it's hard to be sure. What happens here via our experience, the diehards, is no indication of what's happening in the bowling world.)
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Dave81644

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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2015, 05:25:33 PM »
EBI still sells at least 50% of all bowling ball sold in the world
and that figure comes from a person in the know
how big of a major player do you want

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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2015, 05:45:08 PM »
EBI the four brands, sells a lot. Ebonite themselves has been in a slump as of late it appears. (locally and from reading online)

The V2 line was very popular but I think the One series was right there with it. The One cover is currently used on the Cyclone. That is a lot of awesome for your bowling dollar.

I've not thrown much Ebonite in recent years. I think they are in a transition. It only takes ONE ball to really get things turned around again.

What ball will be The One to do it.........
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charlest

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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2015, 06:45:57 PM »
EBI still sells at least 50% of all bowling ball sold in the world
and that figure comes from a person in the know
how big of a major player do you want


That implies that that person knows the totals of every manufacturer, both public and private. That is not logical; therefore I doubt the veracity of that statement.

Please provide some manner in which it can be believed that any one person would know the EXACT number of balls sold by every manufacturer in every market in the world.

Edited: I see evidence for your statement further on. Thank you.
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charlest

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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2015, 06:46:55 PM »
EBI the four brands, sells a lot. Ebonite themselves has been in a slump as of late it appears. (locally and from reading online)

The V2 line was very popular but I think the One series was right there with it. The One cover is currently used on the Cyclone. That is a lot of awesome for your bowling dollar.

I've not thrown much Ebonite in recent years. I think they are in a transition. It only takes ONE ball to really get things turned around again.

What ball will be The One to do it.........

I believe that is a reasonable assessment.
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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2015, 07:09:33 PM »
All the major ball manufacturers report ball sales by price category each month to an independent agent and a report is generated with total sales for the industry.

The 50% may be true but more than likely that includes plastic.

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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2015, 08:28:13 PM »
The original Mission isn't from that long ago and it was a solid performer and the Black Widow pearl was a killer ball!!

charlest

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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2015, 09:26:15 PM »
All the major ball manufacturers report ball sales by price category each month to an independent agent and a report is generated with total sales for the industry.

The 50% may be true but more than likely that includes plastic.

I didn't know that. Thank you. That sheds more like on the subject.
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Re: Balls of lasting value?
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2015, 10:07:13 PM »
Anyone have a link to these results?
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.