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Title: Big One.. Symmetric or Asym?
Post by: lefty50 on March 13, 2006, 12:09:55 PM: If memory serves, the Big One is a symmetric core, but has a mass bias of somewhere around .027.

Asyms and I just never get along. With my release, they just seem to lope sickly down the lane (4 different balls).

Thoughts on whether the Big One would react to me like a sym or asym are appreciated.

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Title: Re: Big One.. Symmetric or Asym?
Post by: shelley on March 13, 2006, 08:24:21 PM: It's an asymmetric. Forget about "symmetric mass bias"; it has an intermediate differential, a preferred spin axis, and it will settle on a deTerminator.

The mass bias is created using different density materials in the core. That Ebonite doesn't show what parts are what densities like, say, Storm does with their RAD cores doesn't make it less asymmetric.

SH
Title: Re: Big One.. Symmetric or Asym?
Post by: Greg T on March 13, 2006, 10:13:29 PM: Quote from Ebo:

Length Rating: 22 (scale of 1-50, early to late)
Overall Hook Rating: 43 (scale of 1-50, least to most)
Breakpoint Angle: 12 (scale of 1-15, smooth to sharp)
Mass Bias : .027
Flare Potential : High
Color: Navy/Purple/Green
Style: 029744-94412

Lane Conditions: Medium to Heavy Oil
Coverstock: GB 11.2
Core: Centrex Symmetrical Mass Bias

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Title: Re: Big One.. Symmetric or Asym?
Post by: lefty50 on March 14, 2006, 01:30:43 AM: Thanks for the thoughts, but I've seen all that. The other 4 Asyms I've tried had indeed asym cores, whereas this one has a sym core design. Despite a high MB, this still eads me to question the potential that it might react like a sym to me. Ball sounds grwat, perhaps I'm trying to rationalize.
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Title: Re: Big One.. Symmetric or Asym?
Post by: charlest on March 14, 2006, 07:29:17 AM: You can no longer think in terms of asymmetric or symmetric cores. The One family uses a symmetric core but creates the imbalance (MB or PSA or anything else you choose to call it) by using different densities for the pieces that make up the core.

In any case, it has a very strong imbalance; so all precautions that hold with what you previously called, "asymmetrics" apply here, as in all MoRich balls, Brunswick's Zone balls and Track's and Storm's premium balls.
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Title: Re: Big One.. Symmetric or Asym?
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 14, 2006, 08:58:39 AM: The One balls are asymmetric
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Title: Re: Big One.. Symmetric or Asym?
Post by: charlest on March 14, 2006, 02:12:08 PM: quote:
The One balls are asymmetric
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JEFF
"...nowhere is the dreamer, or the misfit so alone...."

That's not what Ebonite says. Can you explain where you say that?
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Title: Re: Big One.. Symmetric or Asym?
Post by: pjr300 on March 14, 2006, 07:42:06 PM: Could you say that it is symetrical in size but asymetricial in mass?

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Title: Re: Big One.. Symmetric or Asym?
Post by: charlest on March 14, 2006, 10:57:00 PM: quote:

Could you say that it is symetrical in size but asymetricial in mass?

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As far as I know the word symmetric has to do with distribution of appearance, not weight/mass. (On the planet earth, I believe the two are identical for practical purposes. On other planets or celestial bodies with gravities different from the planet Earth's gravity,mass and weight are different.)

Yes, the different densities of the different parts of the One's and the Big One's cores distribute the weight, so as to have one side much heavier than the other, thus creating the imbalance.
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Title: Re: Big One.. Symmetric or Asym?
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 15, 2006, 06:36:14 AM: quote:
quote:
The One balls are asymmetric
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JEFF
"...nowhere is the dreamer, or the misfit so alone...."

That's not what Ebonite says. Can you explain where you say that?
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King of the mill calls it asymmetric ...probably for drilling purposes....that's where I got it.
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Title: Re: Big One.. Symmetric or Asym?
Post by: pjr300 on March 15, 2006, 10:28:39 AM: Bottom line --- it has the highest mass bias of any ball on the market. And Mass Bias is generally created by asymetriciality.

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Title: Re: Big One.. Symmetric or Asym?
Post by: volley_man on March 15, 2006, 10:43:06 AM: As quoted from Merriam-Wesbter's dictionary (LOL):

"capable of division by a longitudinal plane into similar halves" (meaning in shape)

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Title: Re: Big One.. Symmetric or Asym?
Post by: jls on March 16, 2006, 02:41:46 PM: I believe the seek and destroy is the highest on the market.