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Ramtart

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(3) The ONE's - Possible Arsenal???
« on: March 20, 2006, 07:17:07 AM »
Mini Arsenal - 3 The ONES?

Hey guys, I currently have 2 Ones and I love them to death. I really like the motion
of this ball and how it revs up nice and easy. I find the covers to be scotch-brite
friendly, which is a plus in my book!

I currently have 2 The One's from Ebonite and wouldn't rule out the possibility of
getting a third One. The third one would be more for Light Mediums or when the shot
breaks down. I know this is a strong ball, but I think if I go with a traditional
label leverage or maybe even negative pin placement, I might have a great look for
the lighter conditions.

This ball has already proven to me that it can flat out Hook while at the same time,
providing great length up front through the heads and most of the mids. Maybe I can offset
the Powerful Punch at the backend by putting the MB left of thumb in Track...hmmmm

I know there are better alternatives at lower price points, but with the ball having
that naturaly tendency to go long, I like that possibility of using it on lighter
conditions.

Whatcha guys think?

The One #1 (For Medium Heavier Type Oil conditions - Early Read/Strong Arc)
Surface = 600 Grit Scuffed

Layout
Pin under ring and MB in Strong

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--O---O---
-------P----
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------cg--
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----O-----
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The ONE #2 (For Most Mediums - Skid/Flip)
Surface = OOB 4000 Grit Factory Polished

Layout
Pin over ring with MB 1" next to thumb & X-hole in thumb positive quadrant

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--O---O---
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------cg--
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----O-mb--
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POSSIBLE The ONE #3 (For Most Light Mediums & Broken Down Shots - Long & Even Arc)
Surface = OOB 4000 Grit Factory Polished

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--O---OP--
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----cg-------
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-mb----------
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Thansk everyone!
Ram
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Re: (3) The ONE's - Possible Arsenal???
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2006, 03:23:24 PM »
"Maybe I can offset the Powerful Punch at the backend by putting the MB left of thumb in Track...hmmmm"

If you know anything about this core or even just read the drill sheet you would know this is a big big big NO NO.
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Ramtart

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Re: (3) The ONE's - Possible Arsenal???
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2006, 03:30:48 PM »
JPRLane1 - Thanks for chiming in. I am aware of Ebonite's non recommendation of this drilling pattern with MB in track area. In fact, here is the excerpt from their website...

This is NON RECOMMENDED LAYOUT.  This layout will produce a very mild ball reaction and is not recommended.
Drilling #5
Ball Reaction: Very mild
Suitable for: Extremely high rev rates
Flare potential: Very Small
Pin Placement: Not recommended with this layout
Mass Bias Placement: Mass Bias Placements to the left of the thumb hole are not recommended because of the severe reduction in flare potential.

I am a rev dominant player with slower speeds. I already have 2 ones that react pretty strongly to Most Mediums and Medium Heavies. I wouldn't mind drilling one weaker and killing some of the flare potential. I thought it would be a great layout to play straighter, but to still keep the same hitting power of this great ball. My other option is to go with a Negative Pin placement (under middle finger - about 6 in' pin to pap with mb under thumb)

Thanks for your opinion!
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: (3) The ONE's - Possible Arsenal???
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2006, 03:35:34 PM »
Ram e-mail ken&bowlinglasvegas.com and see what he thinks is the better option, he will help you even if he does not sell you the ball.

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Re: (3) The ONE's - Possible Arsenal???
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2006, 03:42:38 PM »
Hey Rammy Hagar! (that's the best I got...)

I wouldn't suggest going with the non-recommended layout on your third The One, I would probably go with a 5 or 5 1/2" pin-to-PAP placement but much further from your midline, try to find one with the longest pin length possible (hopefully around 4-5") and go at least 3 1/2 to 4" above your midline, that way you can keep the pin in a more decent position (as opposed to going negative, i'd be afraid of squirt there, especially in box condition), and still get a bunch of length out of the ball.  Maybe place the MB out near your PAP to tame down the backend reaction a bit...
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Re: (3) The ONE's - Possible Arsenal???
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2006, 04:24:07 PM »
I have never seen a One with this drilling, but I will answer using my knowledge of other strong asyms with this drilling.  I have a zone classic with this drilling and it is great, strong arcing motion good for medium/heavy.  I have however head of this drilling as being mild for some, however the reason that it seems to be considered mild by some is that it rolls over the fingers and/or thumb.  The drilling seems to either roll over the fingers/thumb or be strong, neither of which you want.  There may be cases where the drilling produces a mild reaction that does not roll over the fingers, but I have never heard of such a case.  If I wanted a One to be mild (and I might actually want this) I would drill it with a closer pin to pap, or a higher pin above mid.  I've heard that longer pin to pap's create similar hook potentials with more foward roll at the breakpoint, essentially a hook set reaction, whereas closer pin to paps <2 1/2" actually reduce flare.(with asyms)
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Re: (3) The ONE's - Possible Arsenal???
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2006, 12:50:52 PM »
Wouldn't it be easier to get a lesser ball with a more conventional drilling, instead of gambling on a drill pattern the company adamantly says is no good?  I know the ONE is  an excellent ball, but I am sure you could find something for your need with less risk.

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Re: (3) The ONE's - Possible Arsenal???
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2006, 01:08:00 PM »
OK...the way I see it........isn't the NON recommended drilling what Ram Halen really wants anyhow.....little flare ...something to get thru the heads?

It doesn't say the ball won't work ? right ?

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Re: (3) The ONE's - Possible Arsenal???
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2006, 12:45:28 AM »
I too, would also opt for a less agressive cover ball (usually a lower priced one..), there is less chance for error.  Just my two cents..
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