Post by: dizzyfugu on March 16, 2012, 04:46:13 AM
Hi,
I was lucky to get hands on a NIB 15 lbs. Clear Werewolf from 1997 - not certain if I keep it as a speculative collector's item or drill it up someday for active use. Was just a nice occasion I could not pass on... ;)
Anyway, I could not find any useful/reliable information about its RG specs. Just because it has that orange core-thing inside does not mean that it actually does something concerning flare or PSA migration (like an XXXL). I'd rather think it is just a kind of pancake "replacement", to counter top weight losses through drilling. AFAIK, the Ebonite Gems also had this object inside, and they were considered simple spare balls?
The Clear Werewolf was marketed for "dry lanes", but that does not tell anything. Does anyone here KNOW something about the ball's design and core properties, beyond the aforementioned?
Thanks a lot in advance!
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I was lucky to get hands on a NIB 15 lbs. Clear Werewolf from 1997 - not certain if I keep it as a speculative collector's item or drill it up someday for active use. Was just a nice occasion I could not pass on... ;)
Anyway, I could not find any useful/reliable information about its RG specs. Just because it has that orange core-thing inside does not mean that it actually does something concerning flare or PSA migration (like an XXXL). I'd rather think it is just a kind of pancake "replacement", to counter top weight losses through drilling. AFAIK, the Ebonite Gems also had this object inside, and they were considered simple spare balls?
The Clear Werewolf was marketed for "dry lanes", but that does not tell anything. Does anyone here KNOW something about the ball's design and core properties, beyond the aforementioned?
Thanks a lot in advance!
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Edited by dizzyfugu on 16.03.2012 at 8:49 AM
Post by: Strider on March 16, 2012, 08:07:55 AM
I'm almost positive that the Clear Wolf does have a dynamic core. Before Lane #1 came out with the XXXL, the Clear Wolf was one of the balls I was searching for. Nice find. I believe that the Gems also had dynamic cores. That was the other I was looking for. Both were hard to find in 15#.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on March 16, 2012, 08:11:57 AM
Thank you, Strider. I am really uncertain about the core. It LOOKS like a "real" thing, but looks can be deceiving. But I am really happy about this vintage piece, esp. OOB and in 15 lbs. :)
Anyone else got something? I just found the 123bowl.com profile, and that's just as good as it gets at the moment?
http://www.123bowl.com/ball.cfm?ballid=73
There's even one review there which suggests that the core does something:
WereWolf Spare ball
Likes: A great spare ball, looks awesome when your throw it with some rotation down the lane.
Dislikes: Not the straightest spare ball, well hook a little bit on dirt dry lanes.
Hmmmm...?
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Anyone else got something? I just found the 123bowl.com profile, and that's just as good as it gets at the moment?
http://www.123bowl.com/ball.cfm?ballid=73
There's even one review there which suggests that the core does something:
WereWolf Spare ball
Likes: A great spare ball, looks awesome when your throw it with some rotation down the lane.
Dislikes: Not the straightest spare ball, well hook a little bit on dirt dry lanes.
Hmmmm...?
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Edited by dizzyfugu on 16.03.2012 at 6:13 AM
Post by: stopncrank on March 16, 2012, 09:42:32 AM
Dizzy, my cousin drilled one of these up in 97, for the time and his game(he was a cranker) it did well on drier conditions. As for today im not sure how it would handle today's conditions. It did flare some(about 2" I beleive) but Im not so sure I would drill it!
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Post by: Aloarjr810 on March 16, 2012, 10:41:17 AM
I bought the Clear wolf when it came out. It has the same wolf core as the other wolf balls.
The Clear Wolf was listed as a Asymmetrical core with a low RG. for light oil. I think Stopncrank was right about the 2" of flare. I'll have to dig up one of the first BTM's, but I believe it said 2" of flare also.
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Post by: charlest on March 16, 2012, 10:41:53 AM
Thomas,
I had both the ClearWolf and the Gems. The only plastic ball close to them is the Taboo Spare.
They all put the Lane#1 XXXL to shame when it comes to hook on dry. The amount of flare potential is ridiculous. These are not spares balls unless you have OIL or lots of ball speed. These are for dry lanes when any resin and urethane hook too much.
Back then I tried to use the Gems (most beautiful balls ever made, EVER!) for 10 pins. Can't tell you how many hooked away at the last second. I had no idea a plastic could hook that much. I had balls, like the Blue Hot Flame, for dry conditions. Had to give up on using them. The Wolf core was very strong back then. Still would be today.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on March 16, 2012, 10:52:59 AM
Ah, interesting! Many thanks for the quick and diverse replies! :)
I'll probably stash away mine, since I have no current need for a spare ball right now (still keep repairing my crumpling Ice Storm with 2C putty), and if the CW really has some dynamics, I still have a Slate Blue Gargoyle that does the job and will certainly still be stronger in any respect. But it is good to know/confirm what I actually got.
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Post by: Aloarjr810 on March 16, 2012, 11:28:54 AM
Update:
I found it the Clear Wolf is in the January 1997 issue of BTM.
Asymmetrical Wolf Double density core the same as in the Blue and Grey Wolves.
Hardness is 80+
The RG and Differential numbers are the same as the Blue and Grey Wolves.(But it won't flare as much as they will)
which they listed as:
Torque: High, RG: Medium, Diff: High,
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Post by: dizzyfugu on March 16, 2012, 11:58:48 AM
Thank you very much - great find and help! :)
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Post by: rustylegacy on March 16, 2012, 12:16:19 PM
Post by: mfetterman on March 16, 2012, 12:24:45 PM
Dizzy, where did u find that NIB piece at. A guy on my team a few weeks ago told me to keep my eye out for one if I see any. He actually threw his 1st 300 game a few years ago with one. I have another friend who also shot 300 with his. Both on normal house shots a few years ago on older wood lanes, but not what i would call burnt or toasted conditions by any means. They both could use them with friction to the right playing pretty straight up the boards and they did hit well when they got to the pocket. I too owned one and it did get quite a bit of use, no honor scores with mine, but a 279 game if i remember correctly.
Post by: Aloarjr810 on March 16, 2012, 01:22:53 PM
I'm looking it up now if I can the issues. But there are 3 clear wolves! The Clear Wolf (the one above) was first, then came the Clear werewolf with two different cores! One core is shaped about like a capsule and the other is shaped I guess like a pulley wheel (cant think of how else to discribe it)
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Post by: MrPerfect on March 16, 2012, 01:28:34 PM
Unfortunately I got mixed up and thought you guys were talking about the Clear Omega Lion.
Post by: rustylegacy on March 16, 2012, 01:39:38 PM
Post by: Aloarjr810 on March 16, 2012, 01:52:11 PM
The clear werewolf is a hard one to find in the old BTM's, I'm suspecting they didn't review them or it's just a blurb in a article . But I'll keep looking.
Heres the cores-
1-Clear Wolf
2- Clear Werewolf
3- Clear Werewolf
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Post by: charlest on March 16, 2012, 01:54:49 PM
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: charlest on March 16, 2012, 01:55:43 PM
fetterman, don't forget that Dizzy is in Germany!
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Post by: Aloarjr810 on March 16, 2012, 03:11:10 PM
Well I can't find the clear werewolfs in BTM (maybe I missed them some how). About the only thing I can see is that the Clear werewolf with the football shape core, is that it has what looks like a Shockwave core. The werewolf core doesn't look like that.
werewolf core-
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Post by: stopncrank on March 16, 2012, 04:20:00 PM
Also remember too that the Werewolf was a step up strenght wise from the original Wolf series...that ball had some serious strength for its time. Also look closely at that core and you can see how other Ebo cores have dirived from it....
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Post by: dizzyfugu on March 19, 2012, 06:38:55 AM
It is the Clear Werewolf - the ball with the orange Gem core inside, not the Clear Wolf - which truly has a real dynamic core.
Many thanks for all the responses and discussion, very helpful!
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