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Xfest

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Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« on: January 08, 2008, 02:19:37 PM »
Why?

Total NV - Pearl
NVS - Pearl
Complete NV - Pearl..

Only one that was not a pearl was the original NV and it was limited edition. Can we please make a solid NV?
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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2008, 10:24:38 PM »
Both the TNV and the NVS weren't very good imo.  To strong up front, so i don't think the Complete is going to be much better.  If I had a choice to throw any ebo stuff i'd stick with raids and gamebreakers, those balls look sweet.
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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2008, 10:28:26 PM »
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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2008, 10:59:40 PM »
In ebonites DVD from the Total NV, they stated that with todays technology the whole thing of pearl or solid is irrelevant. The pearl look is all about shelf appeal. They dont hold to tradtional pearl reactions
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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2008, 11:17:25 PM »
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In ebonites DVD from the Total NV, they stated that with todays technology the whole thing of pearl or solid is irrelevant. The pearl look is all about shelf appeal. They dont hold to tradtional pearl reactions


I'll Cosign that.  Their biggest skid flip ball was a Solid (The One).  case closed.
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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2008, 07:34:55 AM »
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In ebonites DVD from the Total NV, they stated that with todays technology the whole thing of pearl or solid is irrelevant. The pearl look is all about shelf appeal. They dont hold to tradtional pearl reactions


I'll Cosign that.  Their biggest skid flip ball was a Solid (The One).  case closed.
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What?!? Must have been drilling, but all of the One's I saw drilled were fairly even moving balls. The angular one was fairly skid/flippy, but it was a pearl.

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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2008, 07:57:50 AM »
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Both the TNV and the NVS weren't very good imo.
really?  A lot of people are throwing big games, etc. with the Total NV for it to be "not very good."  
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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2008, 08:11:33 AM »
I have both the TNV and the NVS and love them both.  They are always the first 2 balls out of my bag.  I really love changing the surfaces on them they react real well to changes.
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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2008, 05:20:18 PM »
I am wondering if part of this (not making a solid) is because if you sand these pearls, NVS and the Complete, to around 1500 - 2000 grit, and leave it matte, you get a very solid like ball reaction that can handle a good deal of oil?

If true, wouldn't this obviate the need for a solid.

As a cross reference, many of Brunswick's recent premium coverstock/core balls are actually also pearls (The Absolute Inferno & Total Infernocome to mind) with a "Rough Buff" finish and they act muchmore like solids than pearls. And they need medium+ to medium-heavy oil to retain enough energy to perform.

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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2008, 05:31:23 PM »
The only reason I ask this is because what balls do you see on tour? Solids.. Raid and their best selling piece, the Gamebreaker. The gamebreaker is an unbelievable ball and is a great rolling piece.. I just wish they could make something similar to the original NV which did make a few shows..
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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2008, 05:40:33 PM »
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The only reason I ask this is because what balls do you see on tour? Solids.. Raid and their best selling piece, the Gamebreaker. The gamebreaker is an unbelievable ball and is a great rolling piece.. I just wish they could make something similar to the original NV which did make a few shows..
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My guess:
I think the reason for that is that most PBA folk have strong deliveries (the MB & cover on the NV series make for strong reactions that mostly help the league bowler) and that the PBA patterns, especially the transitions, don't want/require/need that strong a reaction. Look at most of their, at least, TV drills - very weak pin positions.

It seems that most of them want control drills and their "hand" provides all the backend they want/need.
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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2008, 05:48:46 PM »
Yeah, I am one of those bigger power players.. 18-20 MPH ball speed with revs over 400.. I have plenty of hand to get a ball.. Pearl balls are popular for me, such as the Paradigm and Twisted Fury and the Momentum.. I was just looking for a Solid version for a smoother earlier read.. I just don't see a pearl ball reading the lane early..
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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2008, 06:15:30 PM »
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Yeah, I am one of those bigger power players.. 18-20 MPH ball speed with revs over 400.. I have plenty of hand to get a ball.. Pearl balls are popular for me, such as the Paradigm and Twisted Fury and the Momentum.. I was just looking for a Solid version for a smoother earlier read.. I just don't see a pearl ball reading the lane early..
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Sand it to 2000 grit. It will. (watch out for the house blend trap)
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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2008, 06:37:11 PM »
I sanded my Total NV with a worn 1000 abralon pad during my PBA Experience league, and it was a monster on PBA patterns for me.  I was able to use it on the Scorpion pattern even with my usual 17mph ball speed at the pindeck and lower rev rate (about 250).  Just because it's pearl doesn't mean it has to skate through oil.
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Re: Complete NV... Another PEARL?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2008, 01:11:09 PM »
To me, a pearl ball can read the lane as early, or earlier, than a solid (with the proper surface).  Yet there is still a difference in reaction between what that sanded pearl will do as compared to a solid.  I find that sanded pearls do not offer as predictable a reaction as a solid at the same surface.  When playing on heavy oil, I prefer to play as far right as possible for the given shot.  This type of line generally works best with more even rolling equipment.   Moreover, heavy oil tends to be associated with fresh backends, in which case a ball that moves hard off the spot is usually not the best choice.  

This being said, I don't disagree with ebonite's strategy of keeping pearls at that line.  I just think that solids still have their place in bowling and are in fact different than pearls.
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