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Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« on: May 28, 2007, 09:42:11 AM »
got screwed?

  I thought Ebonite promised not to release the solid version of that ball to the public.

  I could be wrong, but, NVS looks a whole lot like NV SOLID.  Maybe the weightblock is different or something.

  If it is the same as the NV Limited, naughty naughty Ebonite. You Promised.

  Check it out.

 http://www.123bowl.com/ball.asp?ballid=3205
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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2007, 05:48:30 PM »
I was not one of the few people that spent $300+ on a limited release bowling ball. A few friends of mine let me in on this little trick...except that ebonite is about a month early on releasing this ball. It wasn't scheduled until July.

Well...everyone who got an NV just paid a premium to get it early. Hope it was worth it. As for me, I will wait a few months then pick up a blem or something down the road.
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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2007, 05:54:33 PM »

I would get your facts straight before posting stuff thats just not true..

The NV and the NVS and no where near the same other than they are both solid covers.. That does not mean they are the same ball..

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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2007, 05:55:35 PM »
The pic shows a flip cap on the bottom, but I never saw a pic of the NV block, so I didn't know if it was different or anything.

  I like some of Ebonite's stuff, and have strongly considered a smashtime pearl, But if this is the way they are going to do things, I think I can find something else to use.

  I can't remember where I saw it, but I know it was in a post here about Ebonite agreeing not to release the Solid version to the public
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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2007, 06:00:09 PM »
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I would get your facts straight before posting stuff thats just not true..

The NV and the NVS and no where near the same other than they are both solid covers.. That does not mean they are the same ball..

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  That's what I am trying to do.  I said I didn't know if it was the same or not, that is why I posted it in a question format.

  Gee, doesn't syntax mean anything anymore?

  If I had been sure of it, I would have stated it as a fact, not inquired as to the nature of the beast.

  I wanted to know whether they got taken ( screwed is how I worded it ), or if this was a totally different ball.

  If it is a totally different ball, That's great.  If it's not, they did a naughty to a few folks. Just asking to make sure, that's all.
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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2007, 06:31:05 PM »
Juggernaut,

Your probable guess and mine is that the new NVS is probably the common bowler's equivalent of the PBA-only NV. If I recall correctly, Ebonite offered the very limited run of NV solely to PBA members at a discount, as per usual. It was only $120. The $300 some may have paid was to members of the PBA offering their balls for sale. If anyone did the "screwing" it was some greedy PBA members, not Ebonite.
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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2007, 06:37:20 PM »
Who says you had to pay $300 for it?  It was up to the person whether they wanted to buy it or not.
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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2007, 06:39:03 PM »
PBA members could pay $200 for a NV, not 120.
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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2007, 06:43:11 PM »
From my understanding the NVS has a solid version of Traxion Reactive 0.30...where as the original NV had GB 15 something i believe so NOT the same exact ball...

But will they react the same/similar?  I guess only time will tell!
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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2007, 06:51:06 PM »
Guys,

  Not trying to start an argument over pricing issues, just trying to figure out if this IS the solid NV or something else.

  Eveyone who paid $300 for an NV did so by choice, but I think they were influenced by the fact that it was a limited release, available to P.B.A. members only, and would not be released to the public.

  Just saying, if this is the same ball, they lied to the P.B.A. members and the public.  If it is something else, then they haven't.

  Ebonite's "screwing" of the public would not come from the price, but from the fact they fibbed about it ever being released to them ( the public at large).

  jkiser01 says that it is something totally new and different.  He usually has good info and bears listening to.  If he says/thinks it is something totally different, maybe it bears some investigating from those on staff who would be a bit closer to the real story behind the NVS.

  Ebonite has always seemed to be on the up& up with bowlers.  I was just surprised to come across this ball and wanted to find out what was going on.


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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2007, 07:07:33 PM »
NV - Abzorb reactive 15.1 (solid) Spike Symmetrical Mass Bias
NVS - Traxion 0.39 (solid) Version 1A Spike Symmetrical Mass Bias

It seems the only things they have in common are that they are solid covers.  Neither the same cover, nor the same core.
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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2007, 07:45:16 PM »
I posted this a couple of days ago:



 
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Maybe some time in the future.....but the NVS is not the same ball. What many people are not noticing when looking at the core of the NVS is that it is symmetrical. Remember in the video on the Ebonite home page when RH says it can be asymmetrical or symmetrical? Well this one has the spike on the top with the pancake block on the bottom. Symmetrical. The NV was asymmetrical.

In the future we may see a ball with the identical core configuration to the Total NV in a solid, but the NVS is not that ball.

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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2007, 08:29:08 PM »
The NV was not just for PBA members.  It was also for pro shop operators that purchased 16 or more Total NV's.  PBA members were allowed to buy them but it was mainly for the Pro Shop operators.  This was per the Total NV ball seminar I attended in Denver Colorado.  It is more probable that the balls on Ebay were from Pro Shop operators that received them for their Total NV purchases and had no real use for them other than the limited release aspect.
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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2007, 09:44:31 PM »
quote:
The NV was not just for PBA members.  It was also for pro shop operators that purchased 16 or more Total NV's.  PBA members were allowed to buy them but it was mainly for the Pro Shop operators.  This was per the Total NV ball seminar I attended in Denver Colorado.  It is more probable that the balls on Ebay were from Pro Shop operators that received them for their Total NV purchases and had no real use for them other than the limited release aspect.


Ah! Thanks for the clarification.

Still, I suspect the NVS will be a very good ball, IF people use it on the conditions for which it was designed.
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Re: Does this mean that everybody who paid $300 for the NV....
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2007, 10:01:32 PM »
Yeah the new NV has the same weight block as the Total NV but the weight block tilted to the symmetrical side which will give the ball more length
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