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Nicanor

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Eboniet Question, I dare not email Ebonite
« on: May 07, 2003, 05:47:09 PM »
So maybe I can get some help here.

I have just drilled the Shooter and the Shooter XL.  What is the real difference suppose to be with this ball.  I know that the XL means extra length or something, maybe more back end, but is there really suppose to be that much more length and that much more back end difference to warrant manufacturing another ball?  Would I get the same reaction with the Shooter as with the Shooter XL if I polished the Shooter up to the same surface of the Shooter XL or vice versa.  I injured the forearm muscles at the elbow joint and the tricep, the whole elbow area almost, don't know how, just getting old I guess, so testing them with confidence is probably out of the question.

Please let me know if possible noting eveyones games are different, what I could expect in difference between the Shooter and the Shooter XL.

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Re: Eboniet Question, I dare not email Ebonite
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2003, 08:55:26 AM »
Nic, see:

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=26380&ForumID=5&CategoryID=2

According to Brian Pursel, you don't have a Shooter XL, unless you have one of the 300 or so balls that were shipped to Special Effects pro shops.
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Goof1073

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Re: Eboniet Question, I dare not email Ebonite
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2003, 09:05:52 AM »
Well we were one of the lucky shops that got the XL...and there is a clear difference between the two.  The person we drilled the XL for also has a shooter and the XL lives up to it's billing.
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Nicanor

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Re: Eboniet Question, I dare not email Ebonite
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2003, 09:11:27 AM »
Seadrive,  

Thank you for your input, but I said I drilled both the Shooter and the XL and other then there being a marketable difference, I want to know what the real difference is between the two balls. Thank you very much.

Goof,

So the XL lives up to the hype.  If you seen both throw, it might have been a little more benifical if you told us more about the differences you saw.  Were they drilled the same?  Was the coverstock prep the same?  Was there heavy oil, no oil, league Christmas tree shot or a sport shot.  A little info other then the XL lived up to its billing would be a little more helpful.  Thank you for the info though.

V/R,
Nicanor
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Re: Eboniet Question, I dare not email Ebonite
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2003, 10:59:31 AM »
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Well we were one of the lucky shops that got the XL...and there is a clear difference between the two.  The person we drilled the XL for also has a shooter and the XL lives up to it's billing.


Goof - care to elaborate a bit more.  Also is there anyway to tell them apart?
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Re: Eboniet Question, I dare not email Ebonite
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2003, 11:42:45 AM »
I've seen the XL used by a Regional Staff Ebonite member around December or January when they were shipped off by accident.  The XL is VERY LONG.  Maybe much so than the Warrior, but the shape of the recovery is the sharpest I've seen on any ball to date from Ebonite.  It's much more sharper than the Warrior yet longer than the Warrior and Shooter.  The Shooter has a tendency to rev and want to recover midlane and still give some addded jerk on the backend.  For anyone that has a Vortex 2 it's alot like the difference in the V2 while it's Dull and while polished, with the Shooter XL being the comparision to the Polished V2, just a much more sharper reaction.  Keep in mind that that player I've seen use it had a slower speed with an above average revrate.  For those people without alot of hand or axis tilt, the differences in the two balls will be minimal, just a longer skid out of the XL.  Hope that helps.
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Re: Eboniet Question, I dare not email Ebonite
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2003, 01:27:06 PM »
Sorry about not elaborating further.  From what I can remember both balls were set-up fairly close to one another.  Pins were above the finger somewhere near the midline.  MB's were about 1" to 2" to the right of the thumb whole.  The lucky individual that got the XL from our shop is a young power player that loves to turn the ball.  Our lanes have synthetic heads and wood backends.  House shot is a typical Christmas tree with med to med heavy oil with good back ends.  He likes to play in the middle so the differences really show up on this part of the lanes.  The XL just gets down the lane so much cleaner and longer, makes a nice late very defined angular movement.  The Shooter for him seemed like it read the midlane a bit more and started it's roll earlier.  DP3's analogy between a polished and sanded V2 is pretty accurate from what I saw.

Basically the two make a great combination to each other.  I can't really describe in detail the difference since it's been so long since I've seen him through either ball.  He goes through equipment fairly fast for someone who doesn't work in a shop.

Telling the two apart is really easy.  The XL is a much lighter shade of purple with slightly different colored lettering.
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Re: Eboniet Question, I dare not email Ebonite
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2003, 02:06:41 PM »
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Telling the two apart is really easy.  The XL is a much lighter shade of purple with slightly different colored lettering.


That puzzles me. I knew that the rumor was they used the wrong coverstock for the first few balls when they first made the shipping error, but Brian from Ebonite said that the XL was very clearly marked as such on the ball & that some, actually marked XL were shipped & those were the only ones that were truely XLs.

I think that Ebonite really needs to clear this mess up with the lighter & darker balls.
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Re: Eboniet Question, I dare not email Ebonite
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2003, 04:10:10 PM »
Actually, the 350 or so XL's that got out to the Striking Effects Shops did not have the XL engraved on them.  There have been no Shooter XL's with the XL logo engraved that have been shipped to anyone, anywhere.

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Re: Eboniet Question, I dare not email Ebonite
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2003, 08:19:01 PM »
Sorry, this is the quote that I was confused by:

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The Shooter XL does have the letters XL under the Shooter logo. It is plainly visible. Other than one seed ball per Striking Effects Pro Shop (there are approximately 350 of them), none have seen the light of day to this point. Within one week of shipping the incorrect ball to the Striking Effects pro shops their ball, the correct Shooters were shipped. Unless your pro shop is a member of the Striking Effect program, every Shooter they have had is the correct model.


Just misunderstood, I apologize.
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Nicanor

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Re: Eboniet Question, I dare not email Ebonite
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2003, 10:02:15 AM »
Thank you Brian.  you did answer my next question.  Neither of my Shooters have an XL on them.  One is a darler purple/blue and the other is a light purple.  Still haven't had a chance to throw them.  but once I do, I'll post.  Until my arm heals, I don't wnat to throw anything unless I have to.

V/R,
Nicanor
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