I bought 2...I've only drilled one. The one I have drilled is pin up...with the pin about an 1.5 inches over the ring...cg and mb kick out...for length, but it pops on the back end. With the way I throw, I assume I have medium revs, but I know my ball speed is fairly high (19mph), it still gets back to the pocket. The ball doesnt overreact unless I throw it too slow and always comes back unless I get it too far outside, but thats most balls right? I like it alot.