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themachine300

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"TJ" trick layout question.
« on: September 18, 2007, 12:19:21 PM »
If I wanted to order a ball and use the Tommy Jones trick layout on it, what pin length and top weight range should i get for it.  I'm quite interested in it  and i want to make sure the ball is good for it.  I am going to put it on the angular one.  Stats and equipment in profile.  Thanks
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Re: "TJ" trick layout question.
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2007, 08:34:25 PM »
Get ahold of Randy Stoughton at Kegel. He used to be the ball rep for Ebonite and I am sure he could help you with this or know a way to find out.
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Re: "TJ" trick layout question.
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2007, 08:51:27 PM »
You'll definitely want a pin on the longer side, 4" at least, depending on span.  I would say 4-5" would cover the majority of people.  Otherwise, the cg could end up very close to the fingers.
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Re: "TJ" trick layout question.
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2007, 08:58:21 PM »
Long pin (over 4") and low topweight. A good cg placement would help if you have a choice.
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Re: "TJ" trick layout question.
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2007, 09:12:07 PM »
Longer pin (over 4 like everybody else said), with the cg and mb in line if possible.

That being said, I have done it with a slightly shorter pin, like 3.5.

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themachine300

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Re: "TJ" trick layout question.
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2007, 01:11:56 PM »
Thanks for the replies guys.  4-5" inch pin seems like a majority vote, as for the low top weight, low as in 2-2.5 oz. or less than 2 oz, or does it not really matter as long as its not over 3.  Thanks
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Re: "TJ" trick layout question.
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2007, 07:04:29 PM »
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Re: "TJ" trick layout question.
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2007, 10:07:46 PM »
The answer to your question would depend on: how far from your axis you want the pin, how far from the VAL you place the pin, the actual pin distance on the ball, and the cg placement on the ball(right or left of a line between the pin and mb.
Generally the lower the better, to avoid having a large weight hole in the finger positive quadrant.
If you want to look at one without a weight hole, I have a 15#TNV for sale right now on eBay with a modified TJ layout  (pin 5"from axis, 1.5" from VAL)
Hope this helps
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Re: "TJ" trick layout question.
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2007, 10:17:28 PM »
Sorry to chime in, but this is something probably 99% of the users on this site have no business getting into. How many of you throw the ball like TJ?? How many times will the average Joe Bowler get this layout drilled onto a ball, just to go back to the shop and tell the driller he screwed up? I say, unless you have the knowledge and bowl on conditions where you need the advantage of "trick" layouts, STAY AWAY!
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Re: "TJ" trick layout question.
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2007, 10:17:45 AM »
Warning!!  RevO is exactly correct... this type of layout is NOT very good on a Typical House Pattern.  If you are bowling on any Medium distanced sport patterns, this layout is nice when the heads begin to dissapear.  Also depends on which type of rock you are putting this layout on.


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