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bradl

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Ebonite Mission Unknown
« on: August 25, 2016, 08:24:23 PM »

Just got the email blast on this, and it is all over Ebonite's FB page.

Interesting bit of marketing on this one. They're treating it like the launch day of a new series of gaming cards (read: Yu-Gi-Oh, World of Warcraft, etc.) with a contest on top of it to boot.

Looks like they are all going to have the same specs, regardless of color of the ball: GB 12.7 coverstock, Mission core, 500/1000 Abralon polished, asymmetric core.

They marketed the contest as not even EBI knows what is packed into what, let alone who gets what, with Black being common, Red being rare (less than 10% of the balls made were red), and Gold being ultra-rare (less than 1% of the balls made were gold). If you get gold, you get a free Black Unknown and a jacket.

WWRD: 9/20/2016. Video is below.


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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2016, 09:33:05 AM »
I'm just happy that there's effort involved by a manufacturer.

Instead of HERE IS A BALL. IT IS NEW. 

why cant u guys appreciate it? I do
if I could pick my pin I'm in, I'm not plunking down $135 on the chance I get a 1-2 pin...if I want to spend that much I'll get something the way I want it

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2016, 09:39:52 AM »
If you watch the video closely it looks like the pin and top-weight are listed on the box you will get. So just request what you want when you order.

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2016, 10:16:34 AM »
Seems kind of odd to me unless all sales were via mail order. The cynic in me sees too many pro shops opening the boxes and reserving the red balls for their friends and keeping any gold ones for themselves or eBay or ???
« Last Edit: August 26, 2016, 01:27:02 PM by Strider »

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2016, 11:02:03 AM »
It's like there saying pearl, hybrid,  or solid don't matter. It's been stated before by a brand rep on here and largely ignored. They tell you the balls intended purpose and box finish.


I have to disagree. You can't say that blindly; you have to know the coverstock and how the company operates. Sometimes it matters; sometimes it doesn't.
Not everything is cut and dried, black and white.

If the manufacturers didn't tell you what the coverstock was but showed you on a chart of some type where the ball fits in the lineup, would that be okay?

That's part of the problem: what is the design of this new ball intended to solve, where and how is it intended to be used, by what type of bowler?
The implication has been that it is a skid/flip type of reaction; that could be a dull, polished, solid, hybrid, pearl. More important than the "contents" is what are the designed-in parameters for length, backend and hook on how much oil.


You are really over thinking it. What bowling ball is solving anything?  Look at the information listed on the GB2 Phenom then compare to the new Mission. All the same information is there. When its a pearlized ball or hybrid they list it next to the coverstock. Gb2, gb12 hybrid,  gb12 pearl.

They can't force you to read the information infront of you.
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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2016, 11:26:31 AM »
To put the numbers into perspective. Ebonite said 8,000 balls produced. 10% red = 800 and 1% gold = 80, 89% black = 7,120.

The odds of you getting a gold one at the start is .01 x .00987623452931616

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2016, 11:56:34 AM »
Its a creative idea, props to Ebonite
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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2016, 01:01:30 PM »
It's like there saying pearl, hybrid,  or solid don't matter. It's been stated before by a brand rep on here and largely ignored. They tell you the balls intended purpose and box finish.


I have to disagree. You can't say that blindly; you have to know the coverstock and how the company operates. Sometimes it matters; sometimes it doesn't.
Not everything is cut and dried, black and white.

If the manufacturers didn't tell you what the coverstock was but showed you on a chart of some type where the ball fits in the lineup, would that be okay?

That's part of the problem: what is the design of this new ball intended to solve, where and how is it intended to be used, by what type of bowler?
The implication has been that it is a skid/flip type of reaction; that could be a dull, polished, solid, hybrid, pearl. More important than the "contents" is what are the designed-in parameters for length, backend and hook on how much oil.


You are really over thinking it. What bowling ball is solving anything?  Look at the information listed on the GB2 Phenom then compare to the new Mission. All the same information is there. When its a pearlized ball or hybrid they list it next to the coverstock. Gb2, gb12 hybrid,  gb12 pearl.

They can't force you to read the information infront of you.

Oh, so you're saying the Unknown will react the same as the Phenom.
If not, how do you apply the phenom's coverstock to the Mission's core?
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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2016, 01:42:44 PM »
if I could pick my pin I'm in, I'm not plunking down $135 on the chance I get a 1-2 pin...if I want to spend that much I'll get something the way I want it

If you watch the video closely it looks like the pin and top-weight are listed on the box you will get. So just request what you want when you order.

Agreed. You can get the ball normally as you would any other ball; your choice of pin placement. You can even see the tag for the pins on the boxes at the :10 point and :14 point of the video. Also, at the :48 point, you see 4 boxes all with the stickers showing the pin placement on the ball.

So the only thing that is unknown is the colour of the ball.

I do have to agree that we're overthinking a lot of this, at this moment. Of course we aren't going to know how the ball is going to perform yet; we just got the marketing side of the ball, and nothing as far as the technical side, especially in comparison to other balls. What we do know, however, is that this core and cover have history, albeit separately and not together. We know they perform well on their own separate merits; together is a different story. But I'm pretty sure that the closer we get to WWRD, we'll know a bit more about what it can do.

Personally, this plays well for me. 2 days ago, I pulled the trigger on a Warrior Supreme, Scandal (both solid, with Scandal being symmetric), and Gamebreaker MVP (hybrid), so that leaves me a hole in my lineup for when the lanes start to break down. I'm holding fire because I'm pretty sure a pearl Scandal or similar is going to make its way into the country from overseas, or was going to look at the Rebel (Same cover as the Cold Blood) for the Pearl, but this Mission Unknown may slot in there nicely.

Definitely taking the finger off the trigger until next month now.

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2016, 02:21:54 PM »
There's already a couple of vids of this ball on youtube. Looks pretty angular.

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2016, 03:12:47 PM »
I'm referring to your statements previously stated

They don’t even say if the 12.7 coverstock is pearl, solid or hybrid.
And there's no choice of pin distance or top weight.

I got better things to do with my $160.

Just another advertising ploy for the gullible and those with plenty of cash to throw around and gamble.

That's part of the problem: what is the design of this new ball intended to solve, where and how is it intended to be used, by what type of bowler?
The implication has been that it is a skid/flip type of reaction; that could be a dull, polished, solid, hybrid, pearl. More important than the "contents" is what are the designed-in parameters for length, backend and hook on how much oil.



They put out the same info for this ball as all others. You get the specs on the box like any other ball.  The core, the cover type, the performance category, the ball finish, the intended conditions, and deigned reactions are all listed on the site. It is the same as every other release from any other manufacture.

Do you ask this on every ball release and I've just not seen it? Like a general whats the point for the industry? Same performance category as the Cyborg line, Widow line, or Urge series with the same posted info.


The only difference here is the chances at a limited color ball

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2016, 04:03:08 PM »
What EBI has done is very cool idea it has bowler talking about it good or bad . Haters are going to hate . I am looking forward to getting a mission .
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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2016, 05:08:36 PM »
One thing I would change is the fact that there are balls being shipped overseas so we here our 8000 is cut. It's  hard as hell to get an overseas release in the states, they should have kept all 8000 here and done something different overseas.
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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2016, 05:31:48 PM »
One thing I would change is the fact that there are balls being shipped overseas so we here our 8000 is cut. It's  hard as hell to get an overseas release in the states, they should have kept all 8000 here and done something different overseas.

Do we know that these are going overseas as well? In the past 3 months, the Mission Genisys was released, which had the GB 13.3 Pearl coverstock; same as the Warrior) as well as a Last Mission (still trying to find the specs).

Seeing that they've released at least 3 balls per month (based off of Star Legend's site), I don't know if they'll get this one yet, as they've had more Missions released overseas than they had here.

EDIT: In fact, looking at their site, the September balls they appear to have released are The One Boss (GB 13.3 Hybrid; same as Warrior Elite), and the Black Widow Gold CFI. So it all depends on what videos they put up within the next 2 weeks.

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2016, 08:02:26 PM »
Yes, 6500 US, 1500 overseas. So that makes them more rare, so get them while you can.



One thing I would change is the fact that there are balls being shipped overseas so we here our 8000 is cut. It's  hard as hell to get an overseas release in the states, they should have kept all 8000 here and done something different overseas.

Do we know that these are going overseas as well? In the past 3 months, the Mission Genisys was released, which had the GB 13.3 Pearl coverstock; same as the Warrior) as well as a Last Mission (still trying to find the specs).

Seeing that they've released at least 3 balls per month (based off of Star Legend's site), I don't know if they'll get this one yet, as they've had more Missions released overseas than they had here.

EDIT: In fact, looking at their site, the September balls they appear to have released are The One Boss (GB 13.3 Hybrid; same as Warrior Elite), and the Black Widow Gold CFI. So it all depends on what videos they put up within the next 2 weeks.

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2016, 09:41:07 PM »
This is like a box of chocolates.

Yup, I hate not knowing what I'm biting into.  90% of the crap they put into chocolates just spoils the taste of the chocolate.

ain't that the truth!