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bradl

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Ebonite Mission Unknown
« on: August 25, 2016, 08:24:23 PM »

Just got the email blast on this, and it is all over Ebonite's FB page.

Interesting bit of marketing on this one. They're treating it like the launch day of a new series of gaming cards (read: Yu-Gi-Oh, World of Warcraft, etc.) with a contest on top of it to boot.

Looks like they are all going to have the same specs, regardless of color of the ball: GB 12.7 coverstock, Mission core, 500/1000 Abralon polished, asymmetric core.

They marketed the contest as not even EBI knows what is packed into what, let alone who gets what, with Black being common, Red being rare (less than 10% of the balls made were red), and Gold being ultra-rare (less than 1% of the balls made were gold). If you get gold, you get a free Black Unknown and a jacket.

WWRD: 9/20/2016. Video is below.


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bradl

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2016, 12:52:33 PM »
Should  you be lucky enough to see a box opened before Sept. 20. That ball will be black. Media balls and Staffer balls are being opened  all over. We are not allowed to have Red or Gold. Want a Red  or Gold, pre order and take your chances.

I know of at least one staffer that got a red one in the US.

If I received any others when I got mine(Red or Gold), I would have returned it back to the company. This ball rolls really great... I never threw the original Missions, but this ball is definitely something special for sure... Love the marketing ideas and think it will be cool when bowlers start finding the rare balls in the upcoming weeks.

You really alleviated my last minor grievance with the consequence of how this was marketed: Honesty and integrity of the pro shop.

Case in point: Say that a bowler orders the ball; gets the right weight, pin placement, etc. PSO opens the box, and finds out that it is red or Gold. PSO then goes back to his stocks and tries to find the next closest Mission Unknown with the same weight and pin placement.. PSO opens it up and finds it to be black. PSO drills the black ball and gives it to the customer.

Or better yet: the PSO has to order the ball as it's on a 3 - 4 day wait. Ball gets in while the customer isn't there. PSO opens it, finds it to be Red or gold, and then gets in another ball with the same weight/pin placement, finds it to be black, drills the Black, gives it to the customer when the customer comes in to pick it up.

This places a lot of honesty and integrity in the hands of the PSO. If they aren't honest about what they are doing, that really says a lot about the pro shop, the integrity and character of the PSO, and how the PSO would screw over the customer. Seeing how you would return it says a lot about the integrity and character you have. Thank you.

I wish (and perhaps you can get the word out through EBI to all of the pro shops carrying the Mission Unknown) that the PSO would treat this like the Apple Store (work with me on this). When customers come in and purchase something from the Apple store, most employees there would let the customer open the box on their own, should they want their product set up and running right then and there in the store.

Taking this to the PSO, if someone purchases the Mission Unknown, if the ball is in stock, the PSO should let the customer open the box. If the ball has to be ordered in and there is a waiting period for it, when the ball gets into the pro shop, the PSO should contact the customer to let them know that the ball is in, and keep it boxed up until the customer gets to the pro shop, then the PSO should let the customer open the box.

That way, the customer has the best experience, the integrity and honesty of the PSO isn't called under scrutiny, and it's a win-win for everyone.

Finally, for the one you opened and returned, what would EBI do? Would they put it in a new box, seal it up, and ship it back to you? If not, that would suck as you would essentially lose the rare gem from the pallet of balls you ordered.

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2016, 01:22:22 PM »
bradl, EBI has asked that the boxes be opened by the customers only and our rep asked us to shoot video in case it is a red or gold one.  I doubt it will be done by all shops, but hopefully most will follow suit.

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2016, 01:50:47 PM »
I know at our shop, we have ordered a few of them and have made it a point for all those that pre-ordered to select the sealed box in front of the other people.

Whoever ordered the 1st ball, gets the 1st pick of the pile, etc... then everyone opens theirs at the same time.... I will get a pizza so we can all have some fun with it, then we will drill their Missions... This can be a great thing for all to enjoy & have fun!

I think this will succeed if the PSO are honest and not get too greedy!
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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #79 on: September 09, 2016, 02:08:21 PM »
I know at our shop, we have ordered a few of them and have made it a point for all those that pre-ordered to select the sealed box in front of the other people.

Whoever ordered the 1st ball, gets the 1st pick of the pile, etc... then everyone opens theirs at the same time.... I will get a pizza so we can all have some fun with it, then we will drill their Missions... This can be a great thing for all to enjoy & have fun!

I think this will succeed if the PSO are honest and not get too greedy!

That sounds like good customer service right there. Kudos to you sir!
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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #80 on: September 09, 2016, 02:26:25 PM »
I know at our shop, we have ordered a few of them and have made it a point for all those that pre-ordered to select the sealed box in front of the other people.

Whoever ordered the 1st ball, gets the 1st pick of the pile, etc... then everyone opens theirs at the same time.... I will get a pizza so we can all have some fun with it, then we will drill their Missions... This can be a great thing for all to enjoy & have fun!

I think this will succeed if the PSO are honest and not get too greedy!

That sounds like good customer service right there. Kudos to you sir!

Yeah great way to do it, hope it works out for all involved. Always good to hear of someone doing the right thing.

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #81 on: September 10, 2016, 08:27:43 PM »
The Box plainly states STOP. To Be Opened By Customer Only.
Brown box, no handles, Mission Tape all around the box.
Go Facebook, Performance Plus Pro Shop, see an opened box
and the Black ball. I have a Media ball and three staff balls.
They are all Black. The Gold run is locked  up separate as are the Red balls.
If a red got out, it was sent on purpose.

bradl

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #82 on: September 13, 2016, 04:45:00 PM »
bradl, EBI has asked that the boxes be opened by the customers only and our rep asked us to shoot video in case it is a red or gold one.  I doubt it will be done by all shops, but hopefully most will follow suit.

Just thought about this as I read back through the thread and also get another email blast from Bowlersmart.

With their contest, how are they going to handle that? Obviously, they are still taking orders for it to be drilled and shipping the ball out. Additionally, they don't have any terms/conditions (read: fine print) on their site for having to be at one of their shops for the customer to open the ball prior to drilling. Does this mean that they'll be opening the balls, punching them up, and re-sealing them before shipping out?

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #83 on: September 17, 2016, 03:51:08 PM »
bradl, EBI has asked that the boxes be opened by the customers only and our rep asked us to shoot video in case it is a red or gold one.  I doubt it will be done by all shops, but hopefully most will follow suit.

Just thought about this as I read back through the thread and also get another email blast from Bowlersmart.

With their contest, how are they going to handle that? Obviously, they are still taking orders for it to be drilled and shipping the ball out. Additionally, they don't have any terms/conditions (read: fine print) on their site for having to be at one of their shops for the customer to open the ball prior to drilling. Does this mean that they'll be opening the balls, punching them up, and re-sealing them before shipping out?

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Replying to my own post.. yeah, yeah, I know.  :P

Just talked to the PSO whom I mainly get my gear with in Las Vegas. I initially wanted to go with them because of how well they treat me and always have my business. But for how this marketing works and having the customer open the ball almost eliminated me from going with them.

Almost.

most pro shops local to me aren't getting the ball in until the ball is purchased. then they order the ball from their distributor (taking at least 3 days for the ball to get in), then the distributor gets it to the pro shop (another day) before the PSO gets to even punch the ball up.

On top of that, they are marking the ball up over what MSRP is for the ball.

So, while I was going to bite the bullet and order it local, I gave the PSO back in Vegas a call, and talked about ball layout. He also had mentioned that they were needing media release forms to be signed by the customers who ordered the ball.

With that, here's my question and if this would work for EBI.

He mentioned the option of for those who are out of town, could a video of them be taken of them tagging the ball with the customers name (in which the specs of the ball would correspond with the customer's request), them opening the ball, and punching it up, and have that sent to the customer?

with the quote of my post above, we see how the room for being unethical comes into play, and my PSO wants to keep his morals and integrity intact, and thought this would be a good way to achieve that.

Thoughts on this?

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #84 on: September 17, 2016, 04:33:46 PM »
To quote from an old Star Trek episode... As McCoy said to Kirk. "if you have the awareness to ask yourself that question, you don't need me to answer it for you". In other words, if the PSO is willing to ask for opinions as to the veracity of that approach, you can trust him. In fact, I'd trust him more than I'd want to support the price gouging of the local shop.

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #85 on: September 17, 2016, 07:30:42 PM »
this whole marketing strategy is absurd, people going nuts trying to get a gold or red ball.
all this industry is anymore is a big joke with equipment and idiotic programs like this.

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #86 on: September 17, 2016, 08:32:37 PM »
Its all about moving product and getting your brand out there, in my opinion its great marketing on Ebonites part, but everyone has a different opinion,but it seems to be a topic of interest and that was their goal so Im thinking it worked

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #87 on: September 17, 2016, 09:06:00 PM »
I have to admit I don't throw ebi but did order one from buddies just because it seemed neat I'm pretty excited to get it but know it will be black. I never get that lucky lol but hopefully everyone is honest and does the right thing

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2016, 09:42:25 PM »
It's fun.

Bowling is fun.

Too many bowlers only enjoy being negative on everything.

Bowlers make bowling not fun or appealing to others.


I have four Mission Unknowns coming in for me and family. We are looking forward to finding our golden ticket.



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bradl

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #89 on: September 18, 2016, 01:10:39 PM »
this whole marketing strategy is absurd, people going nuts trying to get a gold or red ball.
all this industry is anymore is a big joke with equipment and idiotic programs like this.

How about you wait and withhold comment until you see the performance of the ball before making such grandiose assumptions?

I'll let others who have tested the ball chime in, but the same PSO I mentioned in my previous posts answered one last important question for me: The performance of the ball between the Black, Red, and Gold.

He mentinoed that while the coverstocks will be the same, there will be a very slight to negligible variance in performance, just based on the pigment being used in the Red and Gold balls, with the gold having the most variance. Gold would be slightly more angular than Black and Red, while Red would have more continuation through the pins. He also stated that Black would, in his opinion, be the better ball overall than Black or Red.

It was him telling me this, plus the idea that he'd shoot the video of him opening the box for me that sold me on it.

But if you think it is so absurd, tell us this: What talk have you hear of other bowling balls outside of the Mission Unknown? Just for a small sample, we're almost pushing 7 pages on this at this forum, and it hasn't even been a month, let alone WWRD yet.

Absurdity? hardly.

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Re: Ebonite Mission Unknown
« Reply #90 on: September 18, 2016, 02:14:58 PM »
The only bad publicity is no publicity.