Author Topic: Ebonite Real Ball line-up ? (Read 3783 times)

charlest · « **on:** August 05, 2003, 07:21:34 PM »

If Ebonite only manufactured the V2 line, how much more money would they make?
The V2 Dry can replace all Tornados and Stingers.
The V2 Sanded and Particle can replace all Savages, Predators, & Players. Both are as adjustable AND as hard hitting as any ball made today.

The V2 Strong can replace the Apex Addiction and Obsession.

If they kept the V2 Pearl, they would have had EVERY base covered. (What were they thinking when they obsoleted it?)

And I am not an Ebonite fan. The Tornado solid is the only Ebo ball I own. Maybe it's time I changed that.

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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #1 on:** August 06, 2003, 10:26:33 AM »

charlest, there was a post a while back that Jeff Carter chimed in on and he said that there WILL be a V2 pearl replacement.
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Edited on 8/6/2003 10:36 AM

charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** August 06, 2003, 11:49:13 AM »

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The predator green jungle may be their best particle ball, especially for the money.

Based on this post and your personal experience, I believa better phrasing is you have found the Predator Jungle Green to be the best particle for your style and the oil conditions you face, that you have found so far.

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I had a V2 particle and it sucked, I traded it away for a V2 sanded and was much happier. Tried the jungle and can't believe how good this ball fits my game. I got a couple more for backups. For the money you can keep the other particle balls from ebonite.

No ball sucks. You or your pro shop used the wrong drilling or the wrong surface for your condition and/or for your delivery style. The V2 Particle is, as I tried to word it, one of the more adaptable balls made today.
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Steven · « **Reply #3 on:** August 07, 2003, 03:58:23 PM »

charlest: Good constructive input to duda. This site is also about helping fellow posters with their communications, and you did good here

Your thoughts about a 'V2 only' line are interesting, and I know a few bowlers who would agree with you. However, having a lot of Ebonite equipment, including a V2 Particle and a V2 Dry, I have a few comments:

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The V2 Dry can replace all Tornados and Stingers.

I don't know about the Tornados, but the Stingers are noticeably stronger than the V2 Dry. The balls do not have as much overlap as your statement implies.

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The V2 Strong can replace the Apex Addiction and Obsession.

The V2 Strong and the Apex Addiction are heavier oil equipment, but give a completely different look on the lanes. The V2 core is symmetric while the Apex core is asymmetric, resulting in different hook shapes and breakpoints. I personally prefer the Apex, while others prefer the V2, but point here is that choice is good given that there is a difference.

Regardless, I do agree that Ebonite is putting out too much stuff and could use some consolidation of lines.
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DP3 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 07, 2003, 06:40:45 PM »

All V2's would just be silly. Ebonite markets balls to all styles of bowlers and all types of conditions. For Instance...

Original Apex Line(Low RG's High Diff): For lower rev bowlers to be able to get that big hook and strong breakpoint the crankers have naturally by creating a highly dynamic core in a strong coverstock.

Current Apex Line(Low RG's Med-High Diff): Early rollers that cover alot of boards for heavier conditions, more for the lower rev styles since they roll so early, but crankers and tweeners have alot of options on drillings to give alot of different shaped reactions with these.

Vortex Series(Very Low RG, Med Diff): Even reading predictable balls no matter the suface or style of bowler.

Matrix/TPC series(Med RG, Med-high Diff): The balls with the sharpest breakpoints for people who like to open up the lane while giving that skid/lope/hard arc(or flip) reaction.

Predator/Savage Series(Varying RGs, Med-High Diff): Big high performance look on the lanes....low price

Stinger Series(Med-High RG, Medium-Low Diff): Power Players' dream balls(I've gone through 4 stinger 2 pieces and 2 stinger low flares since they've been introduced). Long, Smooth and forgiving off of the breakpoint. Very versatile balls with an extremely hard finish.

Tornado Series(High RG, High Diff): Your introductory balls, and specific condition balls for the serious bowler.

You tell me what is wrong with having all of this? It covers every possible Bowler to Condition scenario that you can think of.
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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** August 07, 2003, 07:53:10 PM »

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All V2's would just be silly. Ebonite markets balls to all styles of bowlers and all types of conditions. For Instance...

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You tell me what is wrong with having all of this? It covers every possible Bowler to Condition scenario that you can think of.
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Other than a different color for every bowler, I don't see it what's right with it.

Look, I am not saying in the big picture of MARKETING that Ebonite would succeed with just the V2 Line. I mean every woman wants their color and if you think men are not attracted to their colors, well, ... The bottom line is, the V2 line can be drilled and have their covers modified, (Given the return or replacement of the V2 Pearl) to reflect virtually every ball in the current Ebonite line-up. For a "true" bowler, that is the essential.
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DP3 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 07, 2003, 08:08:29 PM »

So what exactly is your point? I'm still not following you. Different styles conditions call for balls with different properties. All V2s have Low RGs so they all get into a roll rather quick. I'm sure you wouldn't want that on burnt heads with some oil farther down the lane unless you're playing rather deep with something aggressive like a V2 Particle.
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charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2003, 11:05:59 PM »

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So what exactly is your point? I'm still not following you. Different styles conditions call for balls with different properties. All V2s have Low RGs so they all get into a roll rather quick. I'm sure you wouldn't want that on burnt heads with some oil farther down the lane unless you're playing rather deep with something aggressive like a V2 Particle.
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Yes, the V2 balls have a low RG, but 99% of the other Ebonite balls still have low-ish RG values in the 2.50 to 2.53 range. Besides, putting the pin above the bridge increases the RG above the range it comes with as standard. Polish will get length, superceding what the RG value will accomplish; the ball may be revving up, but it's not going to hook while it's skidding.

The point was there are too many balls that have far too few differences. It is as implied earlier: it is almost as if they did this just to have different colors. Maybe the V2 line and all its posisble modifications might not cover 100% of everyone's preferences, but it would sure come awfully close and, what's even better is that EBonite would have to design, manufacture and market much fewer balls; That means more profit for them and lower prices for us. And no ball of the week contest.

Ebonite's V2 series is probably the most versatile and useful line-up of all the major companies and I was only using that as an example. Brunswick's Monster line comes in 2nd and the most complete. However, with the removal of the ScreamR, it is less complete now.

Considering all the people, who complained, like I did, about the insane number of releases, I am suprised more bowlers did not agree with the less is more philosophy.

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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #8 on:** August 08, 2003, 07:04:44 AM »

charlest, I've brought this up before...not exactly but similar.....an entire V2 line up.

I agree with you ...I personally like less is more...and with the replacement of the V2 coming later in the year....it will be a potential complete arsenal.

Nothing wrong with a strong predictable rolling core.....my God, what is wrong with strong and predicatable!?!?!

At the same time....nothing wrong with other aspects of Ebonites line-up...but I do see your point!
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #9 on:** August 08, 2003, 07:25:15 AM »

I am surprisingly not a BIG fan of the V2!

I have both, Pearl and solid.

Both REv too hard for me in the fronts. Not a lot of axis tilt or speed!

I did get the V2 pearl to work for me by sanding up to 2000 and then polishing for a couple of minutes with Black Magic, then it is a runaway monster looking like is skidding and revving out of control, but when it fits the shot it is a striking monster!!!! I must be very free with it to get in the groove!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PSI'm sure I would like the Stinger series better!
PPS I'm in love with my Blue Violet tornado don't get rid of that!

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