Drilled Pin above fingers 4 1/2" from PAP. Threw it last nigth for the first time and was impressed with the strenght of this ball. I compared it to my TNV and it picks up earlier than the TNV. I was standing in the same spot throwing both from 19 to 10 and the NVS is smoother than the TNV but carries thru the pins better. I shot 3 games with it on THS...183 game one playing with line threw last 4 strikes...game 2 300 all flush no questions in the bunch...started game 3 with front 5 then the line went away threw a couple of splits made 2 board move left with feet and finished with 214 697. Not bad for straight out of the box. Leagues start next week we will see how it goes with a full crowd on the lanes.