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BenDover

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FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« on: February 20, 2007, 08:15:19 AM »
Emailed Tech staff about proshops using the rejuvinators to get oil out of ball and restore it back . A rejuvinator is a machine that has a slow ball spinner inside of it and a heat light bulb.I have use one alot in the past and the oil comes right out of the ball.Usually takes three or four 15 minutes cycles until the ball finally comes out of the machine dry. BELOW IS THE EBONITE TECH STAFF RESPONSE.Ben,(Heat and light kills bowling balls.  Never use them.  It removes the reactive resins along with the oil so the ball hooks LESS.  Very bad idea.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about oil absorption until you have at least 100 games.  Until that point, your Ebonite PowerHouse cleaner will be fine.  Also, you could have your shop refresh the cover by sanding with 4000 grit Abralon and reapplying some Powerhouse Factory Finish polish.
 
About the soaking, Ebonite and Hammer neither condemn nor condone soaking but I've had lots of success with it.  Super hot tap water with a room temperature ball for 15 minutes and wash quick.  Every 100 games or so.  You don't need to do it more often than that.
 
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BenDover

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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2007, 06:04:27 PM »
Anyone want to respond? Ben
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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2007, 06:10:15 PM »
Isn't 'super hot water' the same as heat!?
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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2007, 06:22:00 PM »
Hogs,

They suggest hot tap water because you can put the ball in a 5-gallon bucket and the water will hit all spots of the ball and warm it in an even manner, whereas heat (i.e. in an oven) doesn't quite have the same potential to heat in that even manner.
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BenDover

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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2007, 08:47:57 PM »
YES,BUT THE REJUVINATOR MACHINES, USES A HEAT LAMP AN OIL COMES RIGHT OUT OF THE BALL.NOW HEAT LAMP IS NOT EXCESSIVE HEAT AND ONLY TEN TO 15 MINUTES TO GET OIL OUT.
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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2007, 12:53:19 PM »
I used a heat lamp and a regular scotch brite pad on a ball about a month ago and it officially turned it into a spare ball. A rather good spare ball at that. Use this technique if you're looking to convert your hook ball to a good spare ball>
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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2007, 03:54:29 PM »
I was told if you take a brand new bowling ball, no holes, never thrown on a lane and put it in the rejevinator you will get a substance out that looks like oil but isnt!! So if there is this chemical in the ball brand new and it works great, imho I want to keep as much of that in there as possible. Ii use the hot water in a bucket on my stuff after 100 games and have been having great success.
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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2007, 04:09:06 PM »
I have used a rejuvenator for the past 5 years on ALL major brands of equipment and NEVER experienced a loss in reaction.  

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Heat and light kills bowling balls


So they are saying that unless you are glow-bowling, every time you bring your ball out of your locker/bag, you are killing it?  

My opinion has always been this... if a ball is oil soaked and has lost its reaction, there is only an upside (restoring reaction).  If something terrible were to happen (such as killing your ball due to light and heat), it wouldn't be a big loss becasue the ball didn't have any reaction to begin with...  What would you expect an Ebonite rep (who by the way makes a heat-free product to remove oil/plasticizer) to say?  

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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2007, 04:10:54 PM »
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Isn't 'super hot water' the same as heat!?
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Actually no.   hot water cools very quickly,  however,  baking a ball in an oven, at a controlled temperature, remains hot the entire time it is in there.
and that it what most ball companies do not recommend.

i know that there are many who use the rejunivator.  and have great success with it.  we use oil dry.  we let the ball soak in it for 24-48,  then clean it and do the cover to the desired finish.


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BenDover

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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2007, 04:34:42 PM »
Are you referring to the kitty liter? Hot water a bucket and kitty liter/ oil dry?
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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2007, 05:26:24 PM »
House hot water heater are generally set to approximately 150/160 degrees. By the time water get through the pipes to your sink, it is probably in the same range of 140 - 150 degrees (Fahrenheit). Some hot water heaters are set higher, which can scold (BURN) human hands, especially children's, no less adults. Some are set lower: not good for killing germs and bacteria and washing dishes.
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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2007, 05:01:45 PM »
So if I wanted to clean my stuff using the hot water bath method, would I just put some of the detergent in the water and let it sit there? Does it matter if I put the detergent in first? Should I see something come out of the ball?
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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2007, 08:13:32 AM »
You know there is so much confusion around this particular point it kills me. I think it would be great if the ball companies would make a unified statement on the matter. If you check Morich they condemn heat treating and favor how water bath (they have the procedure on their web site). Brunswick on the other had endorses the Rejuvenator or Revivor oven approach (the do not recommend using a home oven, you can find their statement in any of their newer drill sheets). Ebonite on the other hand does not come forward and embrace any approach. I agree with the previous statement as to why...they have a "kitty litter" type product that they market.

I also agree with the logic that says, if you have a ball that is "dead" what do you really have to lose by experimenting intelligently on your own. My take from all of this is that when you find 1 or 2 methods that work...use them. It has the potential to save you money in the long run.

Personally, I have used the hot water approach and been successful with it. I have also use my home oven and been successful with that as well. BTW, I also use my own ball cleaner (yes, it is made of all USBC approved stuff). I get great results from that.

So, my opinion is that the devil is in the details here, it could be that certain manufacturers say certain things because of a multitude of reasons. Sure one could be marketing and sales driven. Another possibility is that ball construction materials mat vary between companies and therefore tolerances may be different as well.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2007, 08:39:59 AM »
I have and use a revivor in my shop on a regular basis. We have been using this machine for over 6 years and it has worked phenominally on all manufacturers equipment and in that time not a single ball has died or been damaged. It's really quite simple in my eyes, the manufacturers who "frown" upon using a rejuvinator or revivor are the same companies who market thier own oil removal systems (hook again, CPR)..of course they are not going to support or promote another method as it would be counterproductive for them to do so. The reality is if these oil removal ovens were bad for balls ALL companies would be against them, not just the ones with their own alternative methods to achieve the same result.  The negativity is nothing more than a marketing ploy to help sell more of thier products.  At the end of the day business is business and they want to move as much of their product as possible.
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Re: FROM EBONITE TECH STAFF CLEANING
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2007, 09:24:34 AM »

Let's not forget that if you can use a revivor to make a ball "as good as new," then the end result is that you can keep using the ball to score effectively.... which means that you don't need to buy a new ball.

So given that basic equation, what ball company would support such practices? It's taking away potential sales.


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