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Jmiller88

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Hardball and Curveball
« on: May 20, 2010, 09:04:20 AM »
Are these going to be anything like the Gamebreaker and Playmaker?
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Re: Hardball and Curveball
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2010, 05:22:38 PM »
not supposed to be, talked to a tester and he said they are below the smash and boom
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Re: Hardball and Curveball
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2010, 11:45:54 PM »
Why is it that the Ebonite balls always look really colorful in the pictures they circulate of them.  But when you see them in a video or on the shelf they are never that colorful.  The Hardball in the video that is up on the website looks really bright, but on the lanes it looks really dark.  I noticed the same thing in the Magic Action when it came out.

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Re: Hardball and Curveball
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2010, 11:54:22 PM »
Hard ball has GameBreaker cover. so how can that be weaker then smash and boom?
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Re: Hardball and Curveball
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 08:24:04 AM »
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Hard ball has GameBreaker cover. so how can that be weaker then smash and boom?
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I agree, the stronger coverstocks with the lower RG values make the new pieces above the Smash and Boom but below the Gamebreaker and Playmaker in strength.
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Re: Hardball and Curveball
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2010, 08:24:39 AM »
The Hard ball also has the same coverstock as the Playmaker. It will be interesting to see how people enjoy this ball.
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Re: Hardball and Curveball
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2010, 09:56:24 AM »
They may have the covers from the Gamebreaker and Playmaker, but they do not have anywhere near the weight block as those.  Remember, the Playmaker and Gamebreaker have the old V2 weightblock and the new HardBall and Curveball only have a lightbulb shape core so these blocks are very stable compared to the V2 block.  That is the difference.
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Re: Hardball and Curveball
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2010, 10:22:50 AM »
True. I think the new line will roll a bit more consistant than that of the PlayM. and the GB. (or should i say alot more predictable and smooth.) The Hardball and curveball will probably pick up the lane a little earlier than the PlayM for sure with a little surface on them. My Playmaker i still throw for messed up heads but maybe the Hardball and curve will allow me to play a better up the board game. But who knows these are all just thoughts and hopes from these two balls we have seen very little on.
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Re: Hardball and Curveball
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2010, 11:21:09 AM »
How can some of these "staffers" be so ill informed?

New ball with the Gamebreaker cover weaker than a Smash/Boom?

Harball/Curveball earlier and smoother than the ultra low RG and ultra smooth V2 core???

Don't get me wrong, a light bulb is a stable core, but it will still push further down lane than the V2 core.  Plus the V2 line was never snappy with anything I ever saw.  The light bulb is far from a flippy core, but is more flippy than the V2 core.
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Re: Hardball and Curveball
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2010, 01:58:13 PM »
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How can some of these "staffers" be so ill informed?

New ball with the Gamebreaker cover weaker than a Smash/Boom?

Harball/Curveball earlier and smoother than the ultra low RG and ultra smooth V2 core???

Don't get me wrong, a light bulb is a stable core, but it will still push further down lane than the V2 core.  Plus the V2 line was never snappy with anything I ever saw.  The light bulb is far from a flippy core, but is more flippy than the V2 core.
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Have you ever thrown a ball with the light bulb core? It is by far one of the smoothest cores i have ever thrown in a ball.

Also if your read so in to depth, i noted that all of these thoughts were merely only what they are, "A Thought" nothing is set in stone of how they rolled, look at the Rayzr no one saw that coming but there was much talk about. thats it all we are doing is hoping for the ball to roll continual and smooth down the lane for a predictable shot.

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Re: Hardball and Curveball
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2010, 06:00:06 PM »
ebohammer, i''ve always wondered the same thing. since most companies rarely release a ball that is a complete dud reaction wise nowadays you would think that shelf appeal would play a bigger part in trying to sell something in their catalog to someone who may not be familiar with any given balls reaction. in the pro shop that i go to it seems as though most walk in customers are always drawn to storms'' offerings first and then ask about other companies stuff later. it seems as though ebonite doesn''t think that their equipment needs any shelf appeal at all, especially their higher end equipment.

 i remember when the evolve came out i had to ask the pro shop owner where was it at because i mistook it for a playmaker, which looks like a boom, which looks like a magic touch, which looks like a raid ....... but i bet you that you can see a reign eight lanes away and it stands out. i''m not bashing ebonite but i wish that they could change this for the better.

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Re: Hardball and Curveball
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2010, 12:11:03 AM »
militant02, dont most walk in customers usually come in looking at the pretty shiny $200+ balls? I know in my shop, customers come in looking at all the shiny and expensive stuff, but then they say, "i'm looking to get a ball." The pro shop operator then directs them to the price point they are looking at and what type of reaction they want. I think this is why you see everyone unloading a bunch of low end equipment this year, because those walk in customers dont buy reigns and virtual gravities and what not. They buy the freeze, tropicals, and plastic balls. People like me who drop hundreds of dollars on balls go into shops looking for reaction and performance, not a pretty ball. League guys go into shops looking to buy the new high performance hook monster bowling ball. Just my thought on the subject. However, i would be very interested in these and am possibly looking into a strike ball.... as a strike ball
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Re: Hardball and Curveball
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2010, 07:53:00 PM »
I am not sure I buy into the V2 core not being smooth.

I have a Pin Slasher with a down PIN at 4 1/2" from PAP, and a double thumb layout. It rolls very much like the old Brunswick Red Black Monster - long smooth curve - no hard arc at all - carries very well.

I agree with the posters on Ebonite''s lack of self appeal. I had two Pin Slashers, gave one to my son-in-law. He looked the ball over and said: "I was kinda looking to buy a high end ball" - LOL


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