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Nicanor

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Help trimming my arsenal
« on: December 08, 2005, 10:58:59 AM »
For those that know more then I do, please help me trim my Ebonite arsenal.

I have the XXXcel, The One, Big Time, Big Time Pearl and the Cross fire.  The Werewolf is on the way.  I haven't drilled the Cross Fire or the Werewolf and any recommendations would be helpful.

The XXXcel is drilled rev leverage, The One and the Big Time Pearl are drilled the same, pin under ring finger mb (BTP not marked of course) at approx 45 degrees and the Big Time sanded drilled stacked leverage.  My pap is 4 7/8 and 5/8 up.  I track a little low and sometimes a lot low.

I want to bring only three of four bowling balls with me to Nationals so I need to trim the arsenal.

Thank you.


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Re: Help trimming my arsenal
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2005, 11:24:08 PM »
I can only comment on the Werewolf.....

I've had a *few* werewolfs.

1--pin under fingers about 5 from pap, drill was something like a 5 x 1, it hated anything under medium with any surface.  I polished mine up with 5000 grit polish.  Very hard turn on the back, when I put some hand in it.  I had two drilled this way, and a Wildcat as well, which shares the same core as the WW.

2--Pin above bridge, again 5 from pap, cg on my Center of Grip, long and archy, not a great big flip.  Worked well with fresh backends.  Again, polished up to 5000.

3--my current one:http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/fufunbean/detail?.dir=6578&.dnm=32e2.jpg&.src=ph  This one is my favorite, I love the reaction.  I can get under the ball and throw it end over end and get a nice even arch.  I tried it polished and didn't like, currently the cover is at 1000.

I have another spare one in the basement, if you EVER want to get rid of that werewolf, LMK.

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Nicanor

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Re: Help trimming my arsenal
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2005, 07:58:19 PM »
Over 2000 hits on "The One Sucks" and no one can help me with this arsenal?


ttt


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Re: Help trimming my arsenal
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2005, 08:15:47 PM »
Nic, I thought you used to throw all Buzzsaws? When did you switch?

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Nicanor

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Re: Help trimming my arsenal
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2005, 09:23:57 PM »
I switched to Lanemasters for a while when they sent me tests bowling balls. Then I worked with Brunswick for a while, but I had no luck with the Inferno line. So I decided to try some Ebonite equipment.  I thought the XXXcel was great and hated the One.  I am averaging over 218 with The One, but its no fun.  It takes too much work.  So I called Chris at Buddies Pro Shop and asked them to help me fill some voids.  So I wound up with the Big Time, Big Time Pearl and finally the Cross Fire that I received today.  So far I think the XXXcel is a great ball (with a good amount of oil) and the Big Time Pearl is tremendous on Medium/light oil.  I just hope the Big Time can fit between the XXXcel and the Big Time Pearl.  

I got the Big Time, Big Time Pearl and the Cross Fire for the same price as one high end Lane 1 ball.  I think other then The One, Ebonite has a lot of characteristics of Lane 1.  I didn't match up well with Lane 1's BOMB core but I still have several bowling balls with their symmetrical cores.

Thanks for asking.


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Nicanor

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Re: Help trimming my arsenal
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2005, 04:59:32 PM »
Dave Wodka,  where are you

All these Ebonite fans and Ebonite regional staff and none has replied to this email.  They so readily jumped on me about the post about The One.

I remember why I stopped using Ebonite several years ago.  because their customer service sucked in comparison to Lane 1, Brunswick and several other companies.  I could never get a response from Ebonite on any of the emails I sent them.  I forgot why I stopped throwing their equipment, and its a shame, I am having such good luck with their equipment except The One.


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Re: Help trimming my arsenal
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2005, 05:36:00 PM »
You did anger alot of people with that post.  I personally thought that it was fine that you voiced your displeasure with the ball, yet I felt that your argument was lacking and rather odd.  On one hand you bashed the ball yet, at other times you seemed as though you were open to suggestions and wanted sucess with the ball.  I read your reply to my previous allegations that the post was scattered, and you said that you were trying to be politically correct.  Personally, I would decide whether you want sucess with the ball or you want another ball that doesn't have the problems that you feel the One has.  The XXcel is longer than the XXXcel and may be a replacement for the One that is a little more predictable.  It has a similar core to the XXXcel, being a variation on the scalene core design.  Of the stuff you have, I would bring the XXXcel, and the crossfire.  I have both the BT and the BTP and I personally like the BTP, yet I would bring the BT.  The BTP, for me is long and strong, I would rather have a ball that has a reaction that is inbetween the the XXXcel and the Crossfire.  The BT, for me, is medium length and very predictable.
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Nicanor

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Re: Help trimming my arsenal
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2005, 06:13:08 PM »
Thank you Mr Mustard.

After spending near $200 for a ball and drilling you would hope that someone could make suggestions to re-drill or change the surface on the ball to make spending the money at least tolerable.

I read that you would take the XXXcel and the BTP and not the BT sanded.  I would think it would go from the XXXcel to the BTS and then the BTP.  I think the BTP is a great ball and I am having a lot of success with it.  But it also searches for the dry, just more predictable.  I kinda thought that I need a fill ball between the XXXcel and the BTP.


Opinions are greatly appreciated.


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Re: Help trimming my arsenal
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2005, 06:51:20 PM »
I am the same person as Mr. Mustard, I changed my user name because I made a profile for this username.
I meant to convey that while I like the Big Time Pearl more for a typical house shot, I would take the Big Time Snaded to the nationals.  I find the Big Time Pearl to be longer and stronger than the Big Time Sanded and thus it hits better on our medium oil house shot.  I would take the Big Time Sanded, however because its reaction is more directly inbetween the XXXcel and the Crossfire.  If it is a question of taking either the Big Time Pearl, or the Crossfire, I would take the Crossfire.  As the lanes break down over under is more pronounced and the smoother reaction of the crossfire may smooth this out.  
PS:  I am not saying that the crossfire is an even rolling ball, rather it is more even than the Big Time Pearl, which I personally believe to be the flippiest ball in the ebonite ball line.
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I have both the BT and the BTP and I personally like the BTP, yet I would bring the BT.
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Nicanor

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Re: Help trimming my arsenal
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2005, 08:14:29 PM »
Thank you BallsDeep. I have not drilled the Cross Fire yet and wonder if you have a drilling recommendation?  My BDP and The One is drilled 4 1/4 and 45 degree.  I understand now about using the BT sanded with the XXXcel.  I don't even have a full game with the BT sanded but I can see that it does get fairly good length for a sanded ball.  If I can carry a ball on to the plane, I hope to bring all four.

Thanks again for your time.


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Re: Help trimming my arsenal
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2005, 08:37:28 PM »
I would drill it pin on bridge below fingers with the cg kicked a little bit.  It should push pretty far down the lane and still rev up enough to be useable on med/light to light oil.  This drilling with the pin farther from pap should make the ball great down and in.  Using higher pins, to me, tends to make the ball long and strong and the ball could have some over under. Using a low pin with a larger pin to pap will really smooth out the lanes when they get weird in late blocks.
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Nicanor

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2005, 08:04:54 AM »
Ballsdeep,  Thank you for the resonse again.  When you talk about kicking the CG/MB you are talking about kicking it right a little toward the VAL?

Thanks again.  I'll try that drilling.


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