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Kinalyx

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How many people r usin the TJ trick layout on their TNVs??
« on: February 06, 2007, 08:06:27 PM »
I typically dont like ebonite equipment, but seeing as how they now own about half of the bowling world, im considering giving them a shot, especially considering i have a hammer doom that i LOVE.  I know ebonite makes hammer, but to me the hammer stuff DOES still roll differently.

Im looking at getting a TNV drilled with the TJ trick layout to give me good length without a ton of overreaction off the dry.

My main question is, how many people have the layout, or something very similar, how does it react, & what are your stats?


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DanH78

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Re: How many people r usin the TJ trick layout on their TNVs??
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2007, 08:27:24 AM »
If you go to the Ebonite website, there is a video of Hickland explaining a "trick" layout he is using for TJ on the TNV.  In the video, it's only a 3-4 inch pin.  Pin 4" from PAP, CG next to fingers, MB above the thumb, X-hole about even with the fingers.  I think "trick" is a bad word to use for it.  I've seen similar layouts, but very rarely.  

The guy who used to drill my stuff would come up with goofy layouts when you wanted a very specific reaction.  I had an ETS drilled with the Pin above the fingers, the cg in the bridge and an x-hole above the pin.  I was bowling a pro-am and one of the regional guys asked whose ball it was, then asked who drilled it.  When I told him he went "Oh ok, probably works then".
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Re: How many people r usin the TJ trick layout on their TNVs??
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2007, 12:58:30 PM »
These types of layouts will work well on fresher conditions such as fresh house shots or early in a block.  As the carrydown appears, you'd better have a mitful or make the necessary lane adjustments to get the same ball reaction and entry angle to maintain your carry percentages.
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Re: How many people r usin the TJ trick layout on their TNVs??
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2007, 12:59:37 PM »
To derail this thread, for a  moment, International Bowler, I see that you're into kitty porn.
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Re: How many people r usin the TJ trick layout on their TNVs??
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2007, 01:17:53 PM »
Rags.......first I was like WTF are you accusing me for!!!! I honestly thought my space had been hacked.

Lol then I realized what you meant, DOH. I've been into that thing for 6 years now. She's a feisty little critter too

To all who wants to know what he meant: My cat is called Porn Star.
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Strapper_Squared

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Re: How many people r usin the TJ trick layout on their TNVs??
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2007, 01:45:15 PM »
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longer higher pins promote more length, max finger promotes bigger move on the back


I'm going out on a limb here and say that it has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of finger weight.  If you had a pin-in ball and drilled it with the pin/cg in the ring finger hole, such that you were left with the maximum amount of allowable finger weight (1oz), you wouldn't see this reaction.  This type of layout is about core dynamics.  "High" pin locations place the core in a higher RG position, giving fewer early revs, more length and (if sufficient rev rate and lane conditions) a greater backend reaction.  Storm's layout sheets describe this as pin buffer (distance from VAL), MoRich describes this as pin height above mid-line...  

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T-GOD

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Re: How many people r usin the TJ trick layout on their TNVs??
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2007, 07:38:07 PM »
A high pin acts like finger weight without it reading finger weight on the scale. If finger weight is usded in conjunction with a high pin, it enhances the length of the ball.

Pin positions act like static weights without measuring static weights on the scale. If the pin is on your midline, but to the pos. side of the ball(towards your PAP), it acts like a ball with side weight. If the pin is up and to the side, the ball reacts like it has finger and side weight, without reading it on the scale.

If you add static weights to the equation, you get enhanced reactions. =:^D
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Re: How many people r usin the TJ trick layout on their TNVs??
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2007, 11:40:51 PM »
Oh no!!!!!  How can you possibly refer to a high pin as "finger weight?"

<pls insert tongue in cheek>

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