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Equipment Boards => Ebonite => Topic started by: BrianCRX90 on June 27, 2005, 01:56:16 PM

Title: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: BrianCRX90 on June 27, 2005, 01:56:16 PM: I love Ebonite's equipment. I will go as far to say they are the best in the world. But why do they have to be whores? Must they have to release 5 balls a month? Promote a ball and stick with it. Brunswick learned the hard way releasing too many balls at a time. They are concentrating on a few at a time and promoting them. But Ebonite has so many Vortex 2's it's insane. Why the "2"? Cause of the origial sucess with the V2 they have to beat the name to death with balls that only have extremly slight differences? What happened to the late 90's when they promoted balls? Why do they take a name, then beat it to death with sub-genre names? They have too many balls that are too similar to other ones they already have!
Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: the pizz on June 28, 2005, 12:54:33 AM: email ebonite and ask them.

ebonite only releases about 16 balls a year.

where as other companies release alot more. (20's)
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Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: BrunsNick on June 28, 2005, 01:32:30 AM: Ebonite's new catalog came the other day....

27 or 28 balls not including polyester!

Ridiculous! Part of the reason we stopped stocking them, because they get discontinued as fast as they are introduced.
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Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: TheDude on June 28, 2005, 01:51:13 AM: gotta keep those plant workers going, need to keep them jobs In america *plays star spangled banner *

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Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: YeahHossNV on June 28, 2005, 03:30:20 AM: I belive they came up with some better mixtures for their reactive covers. Previously Ebonite had some problems turning the corner in the back end the new stuff seems to be alot different.
Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: tonybowls on June 28, 2005, 04:24:40 AM: Ebonite has really put out some great balls in recent months. The V2 Power is the best ball I've seen in a long time.
Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: azguy on June 28, 2005, 05:57:23 AM: I have switched from Storm to Ebonite. I do think, like other companies, they have put out some 'flops', but that's normal for all companies. If you researched every company, IMO, Ebonite has one, if not the best, policies for return of a faulty ball. As my customers say, Ebonite is the only company that has a place on their site to register the ball, bag etc. That makes them appear more helpful or caring, at least that's what some of my customers say.

If a company shows an individual they care about the product, IMP, that customer will be a repeat buyer of that company.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: iron chariots 02 on June 28, 2005, 10:15:17 AM: i don't mean to hijack this thread but i have a question for azguy. i'm about to switch from storm to ebonite also and would like to know your reason for doing it. storm's monsoon coverstock seemed too skid snap and their reactor coverstock looks like its even worse for my game. seeing how their upcoming releases either use the reactor coverstock or some variation of it it's probably a good time to switch.
Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: BrunsNick on June 28, 2005, 12:23:54 PM: Trim... do you drill balls? Do you run a pro shop?

Where in my post did I say they were bad? I just said they flood the market.
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Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
Â¡Viva la naciÃ³n de Brunswick!
Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: the pizz on June 28, 2005, 01:08:07 PM: quote:
Trim... do you drill balls? Do you run a pro shop?

Where in my post did I say they were bad? I just said they flood the market.

how many Zones are there?
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Paul Smith
04/05 PBA West Region Rookie of the Year
Ebonite Regional Staff
"Bowl to Win"
Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: ChrisH on June 28, 2005, 01:39:03 PM: Has anyone noticed that Columbia has 5 new balls coming out AND Track has 6. How is Ebonite any worse? Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking any company, just don't understand why everyone seems to bash Ebonite for a few releases.
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Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: Overhand on June 28, 2005, 02:07:45 PM: who cares if there are 400 balls are on the market? you're not required to buy them. i would rather have the selection to choose from.

and if my pro shop can't stock them all, so what? i'll either buy one in stock or ask my pro shop to order it.

c'mon, people, there are worse things to complain about

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Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: clintdaley on June 28, 2005, 02:40:12 PM: At Track, we just had the 5.0 last month, the Desert and Blue Heat this month/July, and the new Rule and Arsenal reactive that will be out (my guess) is before the season starts, so total, 5 balls over the summer.

From a bowlers standpoint, I like options. I would like to see a ball I purchased last year still in the catalog this year.

From the pro shop owner standpoint, I like less releases over a period of time as you don't have to carry as much stuff. Many customers are on the spot buyers, meaning they decide to buy a ball while in the shop, and they did not 100% mean to buy one when they came to see you, so you need stuff on hand. Granted, I have 3 distributors, one of which I can have stuff at my doorstep the following day. so that helps stocking issues as well. If company X comes out with X # of balls per year, and company Y comes out with the same number of releases, but a few at a time, what does it matter? Well....

Some bowlers like the newest thing on the market, in their head (and I was one of them when I was younger, I bought a new ball almost every week, sometimes more)I wanted the newest ball on the market. I did not want a ball that was introduced 4 months ago....just the mindset of bowlers when they are spending upwards of $200 nowadays.

I see positives about both ways, and negatives with both ways. I also know I didn't get to where I am today because I was a follower, but I was a leader and tried to do stuff others did not because nobody else had tried to do so.

Clint

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Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: BrunsNick on June 28, 2005, 03:11:28 PM: Zones on the market?

3 as of right now, and Brunswick only releases 2 a year.

Strike, Classic and Impulse.
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Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
Â¡Viva la naciÃ³n de Brunswick!
Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: RSalas on June 28, 2005, 03:13:14 PM: quote:
Zones on the market?

3 as of right now, and Brunswick only releases 2 a year.

Strike, Classic and Impulse.

You left one out...the Zone Classic Red Pin.

What, FOUR Zones now? That's too many!
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Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: ChrisH on June 28, 2005, 03:44:26 PM: Track also has the Solution Power Plus and Solution Power Plus EX coming out this summer.
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McCorvey's Pro Shop
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Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: Hex017 on June 28, 2005, 06:31:02 PM: Are we seriously complaining about companies releasing too much equipment at a time? I could see complaining if all the new releases were really low quality or something but come on...don't we have something better to grumble about?
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Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: iron chariots 02 on June 28, 2005, 09:30:13 PM: heavy c i've had a recharge, an atomic charge, too many banshees, two hot rod hybrids, one screaming banshee and a fired up. all had different drillings and i changed the surface also but as the oil would transition i would lose reaction. the reactor coverstock has a smoother reaction than the monsoon coverstock and reads oil very well but it seems as though they are better suited to higher rev or slower speed bowlers.

Edited on 6/28/2005 9:28 PM
Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: ambi1 on June 29, 2005, 01:05:05 AM: My personal preference is a longer availability for the ball. by the time you've put the ball thru a reasonable number of conditions (within the parameters of use meant by the manufacturer), the ball is usually not being made anymore. for example, I got an obsession 2nd hand after trying it for about 2 months I'd decided it would be worth to make it the basis of a 3 ball arsenal for hi volume/long oil patterns. When I called the country distributor, he told me the ball had been discontinued. (I was able to get another one but at 15 lbs, I throw 16, so sometimes on heavy oil, I go thru the breakpoint I want) And that ball X is so much better than than ball..

which brings me to my 2nd comment... ok Ball 2 is so much better than ball one, but by how much..

But I guess this belong to another thread, and not limited to any one ball company.

sorry for the long post..

regards
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Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: BrunsNick on June 29, 2005, 04:27:35 AM: When Ebonite discontinues the ENTIRE Cat line and brings out a dozen new balls leaving you stuck with obsolete stuff to sell at discount, then you know what I am talking about from the business side.

And for anyone who has actually DRILLED a ball, you'll know some cores are easy to drill, and some are not.

Catch my drift?

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Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
Â¡Viva la naciÃ³n de Brunswick!
Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: BrunsNick on June 29, 2005, 05:15:55 AM: I think the Pro Shop operator is a very influential person when it comes to what gets sold and what does not...
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Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
Â¡Viva la naciÃ³n de Brunswick!
Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: the pizz on June 29, 2005, 12:00:19 PM: the customer is always right
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04/05 PBA West Region Rookie of the Year
Ebonite Regional Staff
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Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: ChrisH on June 29, 2005, 01:09:24 PM: People, as a Pro Shop operator, we know a little in advance when a ball (or balls) is being dropped from the lineup. That is when a good operator marks down the old ball to make room for the new one. Don't wait until the new stuff shows up, start thinning out the old right away. Ebonite IS NOT the only company to release several balls at once. Personally I like to see several balls come in at once, instead of one ball every 2-3 weeks.
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McCorvey's Pro Shop
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Title: Re: is Ebonite whores?>
Post by: Strider on June 30, 2005, 11:48:50 AM: I don't know anything about drilling them, but it has to be a pain for the proshops to keep up with stocking them. The best part about a local proshop is getting the ball the day you walk in because they stock inventory. They have to stock a bunch of 15 pounders and a few 14's and 16's of every single ball to cover their bases. When a company discontinues a bunch and release another bunch all at once, the proshop is stuck with a bunch of balls that few people want because they are "old" and have to spend a bunch all at once for all the new releases. They probably have to discount the "old" balls to get rid of them which further cuts into their profits. From that standpoint, I wouldn't care for the way Ebonite revamps their lines.
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