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Nicanor

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Question about the Raid drill sheet
« on: September 20, 2007, 12:59:15 AM »
On one of the drill recommendations for drilling the Raid from the Raid drill sheet, believe it was drilling recommendation 2, it recommended drilling as large and deep a balance hole as possible to bring the weight back to negative.  The say this would give the ball reaction as strong as possible.

Why would you bring the ball back to negative to have the ball react as strong as possible and why the recommendation of a large and deep balance hole?

Is the Raid a low flare ball?

I liked this ball so much that I bought a second and drilled it with drill recommendation 3.  So this is for information only.  I did not put a balance hole in my second Raid with drilling 3 and wonder what a balance hole (and where)would do to the reaction of the ball.


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Re: Question about the Raid drill sheet
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2007, 10:01:40 AM »
On the RAID...can I add to the questions...?

Is this the old TPC Warrior weight block or same shape less diff?

Sure looks familiar!

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Re: Question about the Raid drill sheet
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2007, 11:11:40 AM »
its sort of the same Y shaped core, its closer to the No Limit i guess, just flipped upside down. with a stronger cover gbv 12.7 if i remember the logo correctly.

the ball is a high flare ball.

for the balance hole question..  it is only a recommendation to bring the weights to the negative side for the strongest possible reaction. it doesnt necessarily mean you have to drill out all the weight to acheive the desired hook. the large and deep balance hole would only be necessary to take out all of the weight needed to bring the side weight back to zero (or negative) the size of the hole and depth only depends on how much weight there is to take out.

maybe someone can correct me if im wrong but i was always under the impression side and finger weight caused more skid/flip reactions where a ball with less side weight went into a roll earlier. (creating a stronger earlier reaction, not necessarily overall hook because it would start rolling forward sooner)


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Re: Question about the Raid drill sheet
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2007, 02:41:47 AM »
The RAID has the No limit core and the Angular One coverstock.
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Re: Question about the Raid drill sheet
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2007, 01:18:18 PM »
I honestly think the purpose of them pushing the large weight hole is to increase overall dynamics of the ball by raising the differential.  While I am no physics guru I have noticed huge holes in the right spot can make a ball flare at least an extra two inches, sometimes on assyms even more.  A rather large hole down your VAL in the thumb positive quadrant will definitely create more flare.  I don't think this is a static weight argument as much as it is a core dynamics situation.
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Re: Question about the Raid drill sheet
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2007, 04:09:54 PM »
Hi Nicanor,

mw11x300 is correct.  The larger and deeper the balance hole in the location specified by the drill sheet will increase the RG differential of the core after drilling. This increases the flare potential of the ball thus increasing its hook potential.
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Re: Question about the Raid drill sheet
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2007, 06:04:18 PM »
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Why would you bring the ball back to negative to have the ball react as strong as possible and why the recommendation of a large and deep balance hole?
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No, it's a high flare ball: RG diff is over .050"

You can put in a flare reducing or a flare increasing weight hole, when you take out significant side/thumb/finger weight.

Flare reducing: hole inside by 2" - 2.5" of your PAP or 2" - 2.5" above your PAP.

Flare increasing: wt hole 2.5" -3.5" past your PAP or 3" - 3.5" below your PAP.

Hole needs to affect the core; so it should, IN GENERAL, be 1" wide and 3" deep.

As we have learned over the past xx years since dynamic cored resin balls have been around, static side/thumb weights has SIGNIFICANTLY less effect on a ball's reaction that the core's dynamic properties. Drilling a deep, wide weight hole IN THE PROPER place will dramatically affect the shape of the core, and usually make the flare potential larger and earlieror smaller and later. Thus the ball will hook more or less. The effect of this newly shaped core will overwhelm any possible effect of negative side weight.

Thinking in terms of static weights as major contributors to a ball's reaction will not allow you to visualize the potential positive changes provided by changing a core's shape. Do not think in terms of the change to static weights, but rather in the terms of increased or decreased flare by changing the core's shape with a weight hole.
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Nicanor

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Re: Question about the Raid drill sheet
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2007, 06:50:35 PM »
Thanks for the comments.  I bought a second Raid I liike this ball so much and drilled it stronger.  I think it was on top of page 2 it said  LOW FLARE.  I don't know if it was talkng about that particular drilling or what.  Thats why I asked the question.

The Raid is the first ball out of my bag.  


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Re: Question about the Raid drill sheet
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2007, 07:07:38 PM »
The Raid is only considered a low flare ball when compared to the No Limit and other such over 0.060 differential balls.
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Re: Question about the Raid drill sheet
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2007, 10:51:00 PM »
Well i see you came around on the raid at first i thought you hated this ball??? It is very good ball what change did you make to the first one to end up liking it alot more???
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Nicanor

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Re: Question about the Raid drill sheet
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2007, 11:05:31 PM »
I never said I didn't like the ball.  I just didn't like paying $250 for a medium priced ball.  I could have gotten it from Buddies for $112 shipped like my second one and drilled with thumb slug and inserts for $32.

I took some of the polish off the ball with a grey scotchbrite pad.  The pin on the first ball was over the ring finger MB in strong position about 1 inch right of thumb.  The second one I drilled with the pin below the ring finger and theMB kicked out 2 1/2 inches.  Does exactly what I drilled it for.  Checks up earlier then the first raid when the first Raid is going a little too long.

I'm not saying its a low flare ball, but if you read the drill sheet Ibeleive the top of page 2, its states low flare.  It might have been stating that that particualr drill was a low flare drill.




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Nicanor

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Re: Question about the Raid drill sheet
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2007, 10:09:02 AM »
Sorry to bringing this back to the top, but I found the drill sheet and right on the front page of the drill sheet it says its a "low flare Y core shape."

So is it low flare or high flare as some mention?


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Re: Question about the Raid drill sheet
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2007, 10:49:08 AM »
It is a low(er) flaring version of the Y-shaped core, which was used in the No Limit (albeit the high[er] flaring version).

Hope this helps.
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