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jwt99j1

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Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« on: August 27, 2006, 03:05:13 PM »
I really enjoy using my Tornado on the lighter conditions used at the local houses I bowl on. However, I will be needing to add a true medium oil bowl that won't overlap or be to similar to my Tornado. I see that Ebonite has the Whirlwind rated for Med oil but I am worried that it may not be able to handle this condition much better than my current ball. I am only considering Ebonite or Hammer balls and would appreciate any input from members.(I guess I am asking if their are any opinions on whether the Whirl WInd is a big enough step up from the tornado to justify adding it). Thanks
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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2006, 11:26:03 PM »
That is a good choice, also I'd say look at the OverTime, a great ball as well. JMO
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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2006, 01:42:42 AM »
that whirlwind sounds like a fantastic choice. That overtime is good ball too (one of my fav ball), but I don't think is for medium type oil.
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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2006, 02:03:10 AM »
While we're on the topic of the Whirlwind, I just noticed that the core looks a lot like the one on an older Ebonite ball called the Cougar.
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=632

I wonder if it's Ebonite's intention that the WW is a Cougar re-make?

I think the Overtime may be a safer alternative for true medium oil. The WW with its polished finish, even though it's a solid, may have too mild a coverstock to insure its use for everyone on medium oil. However, both coverstock can be modified to modify its performance.

Since you, jwt99j1, haven't entered a profile, I have no idea wha type of bowler you are.
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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2006, 03:16:24 AM »
Or get a puma classic
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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2006, 07:14:27 AM »
Not trying to start anything, but to me, this is another great example of what "we" all call medium oil, or heavy or light. I've thrown the O/T on what I'll call medium oil, works good, but as one can tell, I think there is a difference from one house to another of what we call one oil condition or another.

It's great that everyone will offer opinions of balls, but IMO, keep in mind , what one guy says is "medium" may well be soneone's heavy or lighter condition.

Guess what I'm getting to here, ask for opinions, but check with the people in your house, ask some what they think as well, never know, someone might have used this or that ball that you are asking about and you'll get a better feel of it's reaction on your lanes...JMO.
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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2006, 08:46:23 AM »
JWT,
I just picked up a whirlwind last week to go under my One ball.  I tried it out on medium oil THS, wood lanes with a hooking track.  My ball is laid out for length and a control arc.  The ball is an excellent choice for medium oil conditions.  It has good movement but Doesn't over-react on the backends.  It is definitely stronger than the tornado.  
Charlest,
You're correct about the core, It is similar to the old Cat series (puma, savage couger and pantera) The roll is similar to those balls but with the coverstock being different.  It gets decent length, reads the mids and hits hard like those old cats.
I believe that this ball is a sleeper, with all the hype Ebonite is giving thier new higher end stuff the Whirlwind is being overlooked. I didn't even think about getting it until I talked with my Pro shop Guru. He loves this ball and our styles are similar so I took his advice and went for it.  Glad I listened.

Bob
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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2006, 03:40:24 PM »
The Whirl Wind looks to be a sleeper ball.  It's box finish may be a little too shiny for most but hit it with 4000grit and it's very strong.  DP3 has one and I'm very impressed with it, especially given the price.  It was pretty angular at first and then he hit it with 2000 grit I believe.  Pretty clean, good midlane with a hard controlled arc (my favorite ball reaction).  I'm a big fan of that lightbulb core. Simple yet strong and versatile.  I believe it was in the original Predator Solid, Puma Classic and Crossfire among others.  As soon as I settle down with my new son, I'll be giving one a try.
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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2006, 03:47:26 PM »
quote:
... As soon as I settle down with my new son, I'll be giving one a try.


Congrats, Anthony!!
Since you stopped being a Track guy (sad situation, I know), I hardly see your posts anymore.

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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2006, 03:57:03 PM »
I am hearing the WW is stronger than the crossfire and is great cheap sleeper ball, i was also told to knock off factory finish and it becomes much stronger.
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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2006, 04:07:17 PM »
Thanks!!  He was born last Friday.  Cute little bugger...like daddy

Yeah, I don't post much anymore.  Just keeping a low profile and posting every now and then.  I'll probably start posting more once the season gets busy and I'm bowling more.
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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2006, 04:19:05 PM »
Like Chappy said, I love my whirlwind(I'm in the process of getting a 16lber as the one I have was a free 15lber).  

I swear, at 2000 or lower grit this is the replacement for the Vortex II.  It has a great read in the midlane with a strong arc off the spot and continuous drive.  I will condense some shots out of a video I made and post them in this thread later on tonight.  In comparison to the Cross Fire I'd say about 5-6 boards stronger and a few feet earlier.  I heard the cover is very similar(if not the same) to the V2 Sweet.  Once you knock the polish off, you have a medium condition powerhouse, and it can handle longer volumes too!

Mine has the pin 1 inch above the bridge(5.5" from my PAP) and a small weighthole 1 inch inside the PAP.  Even with this weaker drill I still get 3-4" of flare(1-2" in the oil).  A strong drill would probaly yeild around 6" of flare which would be a powerhouse on medium conditions.  

Don't hesitate to pick one up, this could be the best ball on the market in current production for under $100(online price)
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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2006, 04:22:51 PM »
same exact cover as the crossfire talked to Ed Gallagher just yesterday about this ball
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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2006, 06:33:15 PM »
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same exact cover as the crossfire talked to Ed Gallagher just yesterday about this ball


But Crossfire is a pearl.

Isn't the Whirlwind a polished solid?
(Just a guess on my part.)

What is the situation and does it make a difference?
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Re: Med Oil Ebonite Choice/Whirlwind?
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2006, 06:47:27 PM »
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I am hearing the WW is stronger than the crossfire and is great cheap sleeper ball, i was also told to knock off factory finish and it becomes much stronger.


It's stronger because the coverstock being used is apparently the same as the Blue Ice.  That's right... Trimax!

Disclaimer...  I saw Trimax in the specs on a recent Whirlwind box at my local shop.  I could be wrong... *shrug*
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