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mainzer

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Mission
« on: January 24, 2010, 04:43:46 AM »
Looked pretty good today on the t.v. show. Looked like it was coming back from anywhere and everywhere is was throwen
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Re: Mission
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2010, 04:30:53 PM »
Complete - The numbers aren't the be all end all regarding ball reaction.  Core shape also has an effect on ball reaction.

The rg and diff numbers in conjunction with the core shape make up the magical 15% number you use.

If you got the chance to throw the Hyroad and the Reign side by side you would see a different hook shape.

That would be nice if Gravity Shifts were still around but the cover chemistry is different between that and the VE.  Who am I to argue with the Ball of the Year.
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completebowler

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Re: Mission
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2010, 04:46:33 PM »
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Complete - The numbers aren't the be all end all regarding ball reaction.  Core shape also has an effect on ball reaction.

The rg and diff numbers in conjunction with the core shape make up the magical 15% number you use.

If you got the chance to throw the Hyroad and the Reign side by side you would see a different hook shape.

That would be nice if Gravity Shifts were still around but the cover chemistry is different between that and the VE.  Who am I to argue with the Ball of the Year.


Well of course the Hyroad and Reign look different. The Hyroad is a two part solid one part pearl hybrid. Compare a Reign to a T-road pearl and tell me what you see? Reign of Fire to a T Road solid

And I know the Gravity and VE are different cover composition....I said so in my post. But they are very, very similar. As I said...no difference between the two if you know how to fine tune covers.



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SKIDSNAP

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Re: Mission
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2010, 05:04:43 PM »
Complete - Let me repeat myself .... Core shape in conjunction with RG and Diff make up your magic 15%.  

Okay let's take a T-Road Solid and a Reign of Fire or a Reign to a T-Road Pearl you will still see a difference in hook shape.

The numbers alone are not the be all and end all. The core shape helps determine hook shape.


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Re: Mission
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2010, 05:10:05 PM »
the quote was..."MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"!!!by k.k. and it was the old cliche coming to view..."less is more"!!!she didnt have to cover 5,000 boards to beat the guys....just a few!!!!
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Re: Mission
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2010, 05:21:06 PM »
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Complete - Let me repeat myself .... Core shape in conjunction with RG and Diff make up your magic 15%.  

Okay let's take a T-Road Solid and a Reign of Fire or a Reign to a T-Road Pearl you will still see a difference in hook shape.

The numbers alone are not the be all and end all. The core shape helps determine hook shape.




One is a big balloon with out much of a stem (Roads) and one has a smaller bulb with a more pronounced stem (Reigns).

So you are telling me that this slight difference in shape in core makes all the difference in the world eh? Nevermind the ball has the exact same cover and near identical core specs?

Wow....you really must love the kool aid....lmao.

Next time you jump on people in a thread you should do some research on ball dynamics and the effect on motion.

Go look at the USBC studies....the sh!t your talking about has less effect on ball reaction than the humidity in the center.

LMAO!

But I am sure that Storm appreciates your ignorance. Then they can keep selling you old stuff with a new logo/scent.
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Re: Mission
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2010, 05:53:58 PM »
Beat yourselves up, it is still about cover stock roughness average.
Match up with that first.
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LaneHammer20

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Re: Mission
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2010, 05:55:22 PM »
You coud give me a Virtual Gravity and I would P!$$ on is and then burn it. I don't know what the big deal with that ball is. I had one and it sucked worse than any stronger ball I have bought. I also have only seen one or two person throw it that it looked good for.

Now the Mission did look really good today.
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SKIDSNAP

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Re: Mission
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2010, 05:58:22 PM »
Complete - If saying all of that crap that makes you feel good than that is fine with me.  

We were talking about your 15%.  Since the physics is beyond you, you back up to the 70%.

You are all about the numbers.  I get it. Actual physics beyond the rg and diff numbers are beyond you.  I get it.  The numbers only work for you when you want them to.

I have read the ball motion study foward and backward in the summer of 2008 when USBC released it not the spoon fed interpretation that some companies are trying to explain to you this season.

But it your world......
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i_throw_strikes

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Re: Mission
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2010, 06:07:24 PM »
basing what company is the tops based on what u see on tv anymore is plain bs its what u match up with all companies make great products in the right hands as every company makes total POS in other peoples hands it all bout how u throw now how a pba bowler throws cause plain and simple she threw roto this off season and at the queens i do believe and did well. your basing your opinion on balls from what a person who can for lack of a better term make anything look good.
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Re: Mission
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2010, 06:12:33 PM »
All the companies have great products which may match up to any bowlers game. Personally I am really excited about the push toward more asymmetrical cores and the drilling information which is now available to all of us via the Mo Pinel seminars and others.  Pick your favorite ball company and rack up some awards.  Life is good!
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Re: Mission
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2010, 07:02:18 PM »
fyi the reign revs later down the lane and is stronger in the back than the t road. Handles light amounts of oil downlane. I have both the t road pearl and the reign and there is a difference in reaction.
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completebowler

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Re: Mission
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2010, 07:06:09 PM »
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Beat yourselves up, it is still about cover stock roughness average.
Match up with that first.
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Well Doc that's exactly what I am trying to explain to SkidTap. He jumped on me about 'core shape'. This is exactly what the ball companies want people to believe.

Now....if you take R2S solid in an Attitude Shift you will see a difference. Much stronger core AND asymmetric.

But if SkidTap's argument had any merit then all the single diamond L1 balls with PowerKoil 18 would be identical because they are the same shaped core. Nevermind that they changed the specs by moving little diamonds inside the SAME SHAPE and by CHANGING THE SPECS changed the motion.

As I said....CORE SHAPE has very little effect on ball motion unless it changes the specs. Since Storm did not do this with the Reigns they are GLORIFIED T-ROADS.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: Mission
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2010, 07:25:14 PM »
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Beat yourselves up, it is still about cover stock roughness average.
Match up with that first.
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Well Doc that's exactly what I am trying to explain to SkidTap. He jumped on me about 'core shape'. This is exactly what the ball companies want people to believe.

Now....if you take R2S solid in an Attitude Shift you will see a difference. Much stronger core AND asymmetric.

But if SkidTap's argument had any merit then all the single diamond L1 balls with PowerKoil 18 would be identical because they are the same shaped core. Nevermind that they changed the specs by moving little diamonds inside the SAME SHAPE and by CHANGING THE SPECS changed the motion.

As I said....CORE SHAPE has very little effect on ball motion unless it changes the specs. Since Storm did not do this with the Reigns they are GLORIFIED T-ROADS.
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You're grossly over-simplifying this.  Remember, the shape of the core itself is only one part of the total sum that is the core.  You have to consider the shape, the density, the placement of those higher and lower density areas, and most importantly how the core is changed after you drill into it.  So, yes, core shape DOES most certainly have an effect on how a ball rolls, even if it isn't just because of "how the core looks."
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completebowler

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Re: Mission
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2010, 07:25:28 PM »
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Beat yourselves up, it is still about cover stock roughness average.
Match up with that first.
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Exactly Doc...cover is the overwhelming factor in ball motion. Nothing else is close.

This guy is talking about 'core shape'. LoL.....top weight has more effect.

Surface will get you whatever matchup you need once you are in the neighborhood. These guys can go buy a VE cause it is the newest, greatest thing and I will simply pull my Gravity out, tweak the cover and have the exact same look.

Another post says 'the Reign is stronger downlane' and again I will alter my cover on a T Road and have the same look. Meanwhile....they can keep buying re-used, one off technology with new scents and new logos. Lol

Whatever.


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Dan Belcher

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Re: Mission
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2010, 07:28:34 PM »
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Beat yourselves up, it is still about cover stock roughness average.
Match up with that first.
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close.

This guy is talking about 'core shape'. LoL.....top weight has more effect.


Exactly Doc...cover is the overwhelming factor in ball motion. Nothing else is
Surface will get you whatever matchup you need once you are in the neighborhood. These guys can go buy a VE cause it is the newest, greatest thing and I will simply pull my Gravity out, tweak the cover and have the exact same look.

Another post says 'the Reign is stronger downlane' and again I will alter my cover on a T Road and have the same look. Meanwhile....they can keep buying re-used, one off technology with new scents and new logos. Lol

Whatever.


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You do realize that sanding a pearl doesn't give you the same look as the solid version of the same coverstock, right?  Yes, you'll get a stronger read in oil, but you'll still get more skid in oil and more response to friction downlane because of the pearl's decreased elasticity.  (Which is exactly why I also throw a sanded Gravity Shift instead of throwing a Virtual Gravity -- I never see enough oil in the heads to take advantage of solid coverstock on that core!  I'd only get to use it for about a game before I'd be better off throwing the pearlized version)
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