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Title: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 09, 2006, 05:01:25 PM: i'm not sure what to do. Rev(my overtime) is not performing like his usual self. I always expect a snap on the backend it with it, and now i get and arc????Im not use to seeing that. I threw it on light, and expected the ball to snap...Not..it arced back into the pocket....why am i complaining? Cuz he's not performing on the conditions he's supposed to so what do i do?
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: R-Zitro on April 10, 2006, 06:04:16 AM: Had trhe same problem and just resurfaced 4 sides of the ball w/green scotchbrite. I used med pressure and 10 passes of the SB (I Don't have mega hand ) it now reacts when like OOB.
Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: Slopsurprise on April 10, 2006, 08:06:00 AM: I know a guy that had the same problem after about 20 games. I have had a bit of the problem with other recent Ebonites and I clean the well after every set! I see they have not changed their ways.
Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: Ramtart on April 10, 2006, 09:43:28 AM: ImaRedbird,

How's it going there? I wouldn't give up on it yet.
How many games do you have on the ball?
How often do you clean the ball?

You have a couple of options...
1. Try cleaning it with some Ebonite Powerhouse Cleaner or Track Clean N' Dull.
There are other cleaners out there too, but these are the ones I would recommend.
2. If you were using the ball in its' "Out of Box Surface," trying bringing it back to that state if you have many games on it.
3. Try the Ebonite Hook Again System or Columbia's CPR system

or...

4. Try the Hot Water Treatment. I have been doing this to my equipment for years. The temperature from the water brings oil out of the ball. After leaving it in a pail of Hot Tap Water (you can also add a couple of tablespoons of Dawn) for 15 minutes, you could literally smell the oil. Wipe your ball dry and
feel the tackiness comeback.

Check out my link below with the Experiment I did with an Ebonite ball...
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=117909&ForumID=5&CategoryID=2

Hope this helps & Good Luck!
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: Strider on April 10, 2006, 02:42:36 PM: Is it my imagination, or do you claim to have almost every ball lose a bunch of reaction during a very short time? Do you bowl on poorly maintained wood lanes?
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: splendorlex on April 10, 2006, 02:49:41 PM: I've noticed the same thing. What kind of house do you bowl in, Redbird, and do you clean your equipment very often, or almost never? I remember you had a similar problem with your Big Deal. You're the first person I ever heard say their Big Deal had died. Now, if it was the One you were talking about, I wouldn't be as surprised, as they do soak up oil very fast and need a good soak now and then.
Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 10, 2006, 03:05:20 PM: Strider the answer is "YES". The upkeep of our lanes suck so much. I don't wanna contradict myself, but it's not that i lost reaction, it's jus the reaction has changed. Also i put ALOT of games on equipment. And i clean it viciously. Also i had someone do maintenance on my equipment and i newly discovered that person doesn't know what he's doing.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: Leftyhi-trak on April 10, 2006, 05:50:04 PM: You threw the overtime on light oil condition and saw more of an arc than snap. That ball although versatile is a bit on the stronger side for coverstock and by throwing it on lighter volumes it probably used up too much energy early, i believe you were hinting to that in your statement. Too many people evaluate ball performance prematurely as you need to match coverstock to reaction. Have you tried a bit more polish or higher grit level to see if that helps. That should push through the heads cleaner. Sometimes as warmer weather hits in our area oil does not adhere to the lane as well (higher dust amount also effects reaction) so drying out or pattern movement is amplified.

Edited on 4/10/2006 5:50 PM
Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 10, 2006, 05:56:38 PM: left that's the thing it is polished. The person took a grey scotchbrite pad to it, to sand it for league, because my Big Deal was checked out(resurfcing), and i needed something for league, so it was sanded. Well the ball wasn't making it back so i slapped so polish on it. When i first got it drilled my driller saw me throw w/out and said put polish on it....and like magic, it was the best thing since sliced bread. Now a coat of ebonite factory finish polish is put on per the instructions of my driller, and now i have the best light oil lane ball one can have
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: Leftyhi-trak on April 10, 2006, 06:06:05 PM: Well if it is polished and was good to go and now is dead on backend then I would believe that inverted's point might be the case. What are the people around you noticing and throwing and how does it compare to what you are seeing?
Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 10, 2006, 06:19:24 PM: everybody elses stuff if coming back normally.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: strikingresults-atl on April 10, 2006, 08:50:20 PM: How many games do you have on your overtime.Have you been cleaning your ball on a regualr basis?If you have 150 games or more on your overtime, you might want to try ebonite hook again it is very effective.
Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 10, 2006, 10:32:56 PM: yeah i clean after every 3 games. I would say it's in the hundred range.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 11, 2006, 02:24:36 AM: Im sorry they have confused you. Ummm My coach is wayne helenthal(man i hope i spelled that right) Dave at twin cities drills my equipment, but someone from the team changed the cover. Dave showed me how to add polish and so i did however i wasn't aware of the consequences of me adding polish ontop of the cover change. I have enough arcing balls and my game seems to be played better with skid snap equipment.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 11, 2006, 02:37:15 AM: I do, and i looked at the ebonite factory finish and they said the cover is 2000 abralon grit, well my teammate took a grey/green scotchbrite pad to it. The reaction is not the same in what i mean. When i asked em about it, the person said it should work and stay Very Very close to factory finish.

I have my own personal coach as well as pat.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 11, 2006, 02:56:43 AM: I don't think i should either. I don't know what's going on. My coach wayne said i just might need to get it resurfaced.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: leftehh- LG on April 11, 2006, 07:53:37 PM: I have an overtime and i dont think they are supposed to skid-flip. mines a nice solid arc to the pocket.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 11, 2006, 11:37:32 PM: I guess....I'm jus goin off of how it used to react. And actually my new equipment plays no part in my knowing of the reaction because i throw my one, and barely throw my big one.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 12, 2006, 12:12:16 AM: I clean my equipment correctly. Though i have only been bowling for a year i have picked up quite a lot in this short span of time. I won my One and Big One in a ball raffle. I coulda picked set but my coach told me to get them. They are both drilled with layout 2 from the ebonite drill sheet.

This is the recommended layout for most players that have known axis measurements
Drilling #2
Ball Reaction: Long and Strong
Suitable for: Most Styles and Lines
Flare potential: Large
Pin Placement: Place Pin 4 1/2 inches from PAP
Center of Gravity: The center of gravity placement may or may not fall inside the CG Area. If it doesnâ€™t then the balance hole location may need to be adjusted.
Mass Bias Placement: Place Mass Bias at a 45 degree angle to the right of the thumb hole. If needed place balance hole over on the Vertical Axis Line and 2 inches down and drill back to negative side weight. The bigger and deeper the hole is the more increased ball reaction. Remember to keep the ball statically legal.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 12, 2006, 01:05:28 AM: Actually a couple of people told me the same thing as my coach did and to change the cover on the big one to get a different reaction. I have noticed that i don't really use my one. I see two totally different reactions between the two, but u can always change the covers to get different reactions.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 12, 2006, 01:21:34 AM: my stats and pics are in my profile. School is allright..............could be better.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 12, 2006, 01:30:14 AM: currenlty no i can't tell u but i can later on today.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 12, 2006, 01:40:25 AM: Nope unfortunately we as a team SUCK! Team coach........(sarcasm on)yeah sure,don't even come to practices,but he sometimes help me, but i got my own personal coach. ummmmm captain........HA HA HA what a joke.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 12, 2006, 01:51:49 AM: yeah, at times it seems like no one likes each other. I jus think once we got back on page with one anotha and people actually start competing and some spots are being takin away people will start to bowl and not talk so much. that my 2 cents.
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 12, 2006, 01:58:31 AM: What i mean is theres only 6 or 7. Every1 goes to tournament. when we get a lot of other players, who will challenge us for spots then everyone will start to bowl. When your spot on the team gets questioned then that'll make you bowl, better in my opinoin anyway
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Title: Re: My overtime has had time run out
Post by: ImaRedbird on April 12, 2006, 02:12:00 AM: yeah ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....practices are some show up throw a few games and leave
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