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Bowljr300

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Shockingly poor quality from Ebonite
« on: April 21, 2006, 07:53:16 AM »
I own a proshop in Texas and have drilled many of
Ebonite's "One" bowling balls.  A few of my customers
have come back to say that they were dissatisfied with
the ball reaction.  By chance, I placed one of the balls
on a Haas resurface machine for one minute using the
diamond wheels. To my astonishment, the ball had shiny
areas all over it--indicating flat spots.  I resurfaced
another customer's "one" and found that it also had flat
spots all over it.  I resurfaced four other "one" balls
that I had in inventory (1-16lb, 2-15lb, 1-14lb; all four
were as out-of-round as they could possibly be.
Next, I tried my experiement on four "Big One" balls that
were in inventory; all four of them were in the same
out-of-round condition.  This sort of poor quality from
Ebonite is shocking!!

As for the customers whose balls I resurfaced, they love
the new reaction.

If you own an Ebonite "One" or "Big One" and are unhappy
with it, please don't give up on it.  Take it to a shop
that has a resurfacing machine that can restore it to
a proper round condition.

Ebonite:  Please improve your poor quality!


 

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Re: Shockingly poor quality from Ebonite
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2006, 09:46:44 AM »
I work full time at a proshop in Charlotte,NC and my boss owns 3 other proshops in and around the area and we have sold nearly 200 One's and almost as many Big ones and we have not had one customer complaint or out of round problem.
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Re: Shockingly poor quality from Ebonite
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2006, 03:18:08 PM »
BJ300,
Maybe Ebonite has figured out a way to incorporate golf ball technology into bowling balls. Are the flat spots hexagonal? Are there about 336 of them? Have your customers noticed a difference in shot trajectory?

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Re: Shockingly poor quality from Ebonite
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2006, 03:30:44 PM »
I bet ya there are a lot of smaller One's and not so Big ONe's in your area now...that are perfectly round!

REgards,

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Re: Shockingly poor quality from Ebonite
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2006, 11:43:50 PM »
Is anyone sure that 1 minute is long enough for the Haas machine to thoroughly cover the whole surface of the ball? If not, that may explain some of this phenomenon. This has been my suspicion all along.

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Re: Shockingly poor quality from Ebonite
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2006, 04:18:10 PM »
RITEmind,

Congratulations on your score.  I'm glad that you had
the ball resurfaced before giving up on it.  The "One"
is a good ball;however, something appears to have gone
wrong with Ebonite's quality control.  Keep shooting
great scores!!

Carolina Kingpin,

1 minute is sufficient time for the Haus Machine to
touch the entire surface of the ball.  Each of the three
diamond wheels are 5 inches in diameter and the ball
is turned in all directions at a rapid pace.  I've now
used this same technique on: Brunswick, MoRich, Columbia
and Track equipment.  Some of their balls showed some
intermittent shiny spots with dull ones--the shiney
areas are the flat spots--but none were in as bad a
condition as the Ebonite balls.  Based upon responses,
these balls have appeared in: Texas, Florida and Illinois.

For those who have questioned the "calibration" of the
Haus Machine, let me state that the machine requires no
calibration; it only requires lubrication and cleaning.



Bowljr300

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Re: Shockingly poor quality from Ebonite
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2006, 09:32:54 PM »
You obviously haven't understood what you have read:

1. The entire ball is touched by the Haus Machine in the
   one minute.  
2. This same method has been tried on other manufacturers
   and their balls don't reveal the same problem.
3. The problem has been seen in two other states and
   corroborated on this same thread.

Believe whomever you please.  

And,yes,my proshop is still in business and thriving.

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Re: Shockingly poor quality from Ebonite
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2006, 09:53:31 PM »
Here is a good test for this.  Before us pro shop people even drill another Ebonite ball, or any ball at least for awhile, take the ball from the box, and take it straight to a spinner.  IF there are in fact any flat spots on the ball, when you turn it on and lay your hand on top the ball, the ball should have a "wavy" sort of feel to it.  If not, the ball should feel pretty smooth.  I have done this to different balls and had various results from it.  But, it should give you a great idea as to "quality control" straight from the manufacturer.
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Re: Shockingly poor quality from Ebonite
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2006, 10:00:29 PM »
Saw,

The problem here is that if the ball has low areas--I'll
call them that for the sake of this discussion, and, no,
you would not be able to feel them--then the ball does
not have complete contact with the lane.  For high rev
players looking for distance, but with enough hand to
force the ball to make the corner, these low areas might
not bother them.  However, for players with less hand,
they need all of the "foot print" that they can possibly
get.

The purpose of my post was to encourage bowlers to
resurface their ball if they weren't pleased with it. I
have stated in several responses that the "One" is a
good ball.

Also, I'm not seeing this same problem with other companies.

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Re: Shockingly poor quality from Ebonite
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2006, 10:26:27 PM »
I haven't tried to feel them with my hand; however, I've
placed the balls on a MoRich determinator and the balls
have a noticeable bounce to them.

I've also noticed this bounce effect with some lower end
balls from another manufacturer.