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pinoypc

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the big one dying out?
« on: January 31, 2006, 07:56:08 AM »
I'm planning on getting the big one, but am concerned with it dying out like storm bowls. I've never owned an ebonite ball before so i am not familiar with how long these balls usually last (assuming i clean the ball after each use). My Storm trifecta stopped hooking after about 30-40 games.

 

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Re: the big one dying out?
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2006, 11:43:26 PM »
Hmmm.... maybe Ebonite needs to take lessons from Dynothane on how to make a long-lasting soaker

Dyno's soaker technology prolongs life, I can't imagine buying a One and seeing it die in 40 games...D/T Soakers are just getting broken in at that point.



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Re: the big one dying out?
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2006, 11:47:07 PM »
The part that some of you don't realize is just a certain part of the ball touches the lane surface with each individual.  Take a tire for instance, you ride on a set of tires and never rotate them as you are susposed too they wear out correct??  Same concept in bowling except you can't change the tire. The track wears and wears and wears and wears until the ball's track becomes plasticized and sometimes you can wear it so long that even resurfacing won't get it back to the reaction you want.  Even if you don't wear out the track area you use, you think that there is enough oil on the lane surface to be absorbed into a ball to completely soak it??  Please, the ball only comes in contact with the lane oil for no more than 4-5 seconds most of the time and the players with faster ball speeds get it through the oil faster.  Plus you are forgeting about the rest of the ball, do you think that just the track area absorbs oil????  What would happen to polished ball that doesn't absorb oil as quick as a sanded ball if you just sanded the area of the ball that doesn't come in contact with the lane???  Ball still skids, correct??  Now just sand the track area and not the rest of the ball.  Ball hooks earlier and more, correct??  Now I DO AGREE that you have to keep a ball clean in order for it to perform at its peak potential, but heat and cold is one major cause of ball death and relates to many balls losing their "Hook".  Do you think that all of liquid that comes out of the ball is oil???  You might want to do your homework as far as the reason they call it reactive "resin". Resin can be liquified and can come out of the pores of the ball, therefore when you extract oil you extract resin.  Each time you do this the ball's "Reactive" nature is comprosimed as far as having the resin in the cover it needs to react.  Do you actually know how bad it is for a ball to experience too many changes in temperature??? Core cracking is the most common thing I have seen and that's just from leaving it in your car in the summer or wintertime.  There is prolly and 15-25 degree change in most days of the year from high temp to low temp and a car can magnify that to 25-40 degrees.  Now that I have went over all this maybe now you see that there are too many environmental factors to consider in ball death to just blame it on oil.  Maybe you should actually contact someone that manufactures and designs them for a living??  Someone like Ron Hickland of Ebonite.  I had the pleasure of meeting Ron here in Nashville at one of our pro-shop 101 classes our company hosts and he showed and covered things that I didn't even consider to be true until I actually looked at what he was saying very closely.  I have had a Danger Zone (The Original) for over 10 years and I would say that it has 300+ games if not more on it, but I have taken care of the surface and adjusted it many times and it STILL performs like it just came out of the box.  That ball still absorbs oil when it sits on the ball return, so saying that a ball doesn't absorb anymore oil than that of 30-40 games or even 100 is just plain crazy.  If it really has died and you want to see what's wrong with it if anything, send it back to the manufacturer and tell them of the problem before you say the ball has died.  I can tell usually when a person dies cause there is visual evidence, but I can't tell if a bowling ball has died just by looking at it and just by my methods in my shop so I need to get someone else on the case, you know someone who knows how the ball is made and what the coverstock is supposed to do.
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Re: the big one dying out?
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2006, 05:49:09 AM »
Eric I agree maybe it is time for Mr. Hickland to step up and give a detailed explanation of how and increased rate of absorption of a foriegn product into the bowling ball doen not break down the chemistry of the coverstock.

Eric - I have spoken with others who manufacture bowling balls for a living and they had questions about the premise behind the technology as well.  The most common response given to me when the One was first announced (as non-committal as they could be due to their positions) was just wait and see. Well it now looks like waiting has proven that there seems to be an issue. If only one person had issues I do not beleive we would be having this discussion.

I do not argue with the other possible reasons you have listed that can affect ball reaction.  Those have been the same arguements that have been made since the advent of resin ball back in the early 90's.

"G" that is a heck of a lot of work to get the surface back.

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Re: the big one dying out?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2006, 10:08:51 AM »
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"G" that is a heck of a lot of work to get the surface back.


Doesn't seem that much to me, only takes about 20 mins or so.

Oh well good luck.
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Re: the big one dying out?
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2006, 10:46:47 AM »
whay does this post say "Big One" dying out.. That ball is just barely out.. I take it people are referring to the regular The One..

I just think these new coverstock balls might be very sensitive to changing the OOB to a different grit..
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Re: the big one dying out?
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2006, 04:18:34 PM »
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My theroy on why I think it worked and the whole key at least for those that didn't do any major surface adjustments out of the box and had great sucess only to see it die away, is the polish. Both the Extender and Factory finish remind me of the Bruns factory polish and I really liked that stuff, but the thing that I noticed using both tpyes of polish is that they work best IMHO if you apply a generous amount and burn it in until it creates a real hard tacky shiny shell. When I did this to the One, it seemed like it gave the shell it's POP back and I think it was because the pollish stiffens the cover enough to allow it to pop. My though is that the cover is so soft that I think it almost needs that hard layer of polish for the shell to regain it's elasiticity.


How do you 'Burn' in polish I have never heard this term

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Re: the big one dying out?
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2006, 07:21:45 PM »
It is probably my term, basically I put a decient amount of polish on a paper towel and then spin it on the ball so that the half of the ball I am working on is completely covered with a coat of polish. I switch to a clean towel allowing the polish to set up a few seconds and then I procede to appliy a lot of pressure to the ball with the clean towel not so the spinner stops but enough pressure along with time that when you remove the towel you're left with a real shinny surface and you can feel the some heat from the shell where you just applied the pressure and polish. It gets hot, if that towel wasn't there you would burn your hand. I have actually alomst caused a burn blister by having a bit of the towel tear away while I was polishing a ball. Also, you have to have a spinner, I doubt that you could do it by hand.

Hope that helps,
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Re: the big one dying out?
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2006, 07:46:04 AM »
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whay does this post say "Big One" dying out.. That ball is just barely out.. I take it people are referring to the regular The One..

I just think these new coverstock balls might be very sensitive to changing the OOB to a different grit..
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It says that because the poster wanted to know if he got the big one would it die out like his storm balls did. People who have the one spoke up and was telling us all the problems they have had with there ONE wich is some how related to the BIG ONE. The one definately loses its perfomance after short use although not sure why but it does. This might be why they sell a maintanance ball care kit with the ball lol. Has any one tried the hook again treatment on there one yet?

Oil absorbtion kills the ball plain and simple, the best course of action to prolong a balls life is to clean it with a citrus gel/cleaner wich actualy helps draw the lane oil back out of the ball after every use. Another alternative is to prevent the absorbtion all together by applying docs magic elixer. The faster these balls absorb oil the more you need to clean them.
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Re: the big one dying out?
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2006, 02:08:23 PM »
I have drilled two One's for myself and Multiple One's for customers and nobody has reported to me that their ball is dying, hooking less that it did when new, or anything even remotely close. I have resurfaced both of mine and was able to reproduce the surface and reaction wothout problems. Since we are giving our own opinions my plan of attack when resurfacing a ball is that less polish rather than more is a good thing. If you over polish the surface you can effectively seal out the coverstock resulting in what looks like "Ball Death" I used to do it with Storm stuff all the time. It wasnt dead it was overp polished. Surface contact is what makes the ball hook and we all know that. Too much polish effectively makes your ball a plastic ball or extremely weak reactive which many may interpret at "Ball Death". Next time try a less is more approach. I use the Abralon pads and factory finish from Ebonite on the One's and achieve great results.


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