Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 22, 2006, 07:31:04 AM
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Post by: JOE FALCO on November 22, 2006, 03:45:26 PM
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Hit them light and watch them fight
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Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 22, 2006, 04:28:45 PM
All factors in our low scoring environment. Hopefully you can see the difference bewteen the layouts and get an overall perspective of the balls.
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Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 22, 2006, 05:00:33 PM
I think you'll see what I'm talking about in the Angular One videos.
First, look at the balls showing the Angular One going through the pins. These shots were all thrown very well, and you'll see that there is 5-6 boards between the ball and the gutter at the breakpoint.
Also, in the overhead shots of ball #2 (near the end of the video), two of the four clips have the ball "nudging" out to the 4th-5th board breakpoint, and you can tell that the balls are quite a bit weaker and come in very light (although they do strike). At our center, your breakpoint needs to be around the 5th-7th board downlane because we have so much friction in the lane surface and the pattern. But I think you'll see how the ball really lays off in the shots missed just a pinch to the right.
With the RXS300, I was using a slightly softer speed with my highest axis rotation release. The ball really skids a little too much for our "fresh" lane condition. This may have caused you to see slightly more movement than you expected with my comments.
I think my boys from "inthezoneproshop" will back me up. When we hit the fourth board at Royal Crest Lanes, it's usually 3 off the right. I did it several times yesterday in practice.
Your point is noted though. Next time in the SmashTime Pearl video, I'll be sure to get a few into the out of bounds to not only show it, but to show how the ball handles that spot.
Thanks for your input!
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Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 22, 2006, 06:14:40 PM
You'll see in the next video I do that we do truly have an out of bounds at that 4-5 board spot. I'll make sure to include it.
Thanks for the feedback!
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Post by: chitown on November 22, 2006, 07:10:31 PM
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GO BEARS! Super Bowl bound!
Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 22, 2006, 07:44:38 PM
At our home center, the Angular One with the very high pin matches up far better than the other one. Because of our hang spot downlane, you don't really want to be too far inside with larger launch angles. It gets you into trouble whenever you nudge that spot at the breakpoint. Since the higher pin ball (Ball #2) allows me to play straighter angles, it matches up far better at our local center than the other ball. I can assure you that Ball #1 with the lower pin is EXTREMELY good and matches up terrific at a different center I bowl league in.
Good observations, and I'm glad you were able to distinguish the differences.
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Post by: Xfest on November 22, 2006, 08:19:15 PM
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Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 22, 2006, 09:25:13 PM
Hey, how many times do you see a right hander get it back from outside 5 in that joint? I think it happened once, like 8 years ago or something.
Good to hear from you!
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Post by: Greatness on November 22, 2006, 09:29:07 PM
But alas, my question is - ball v.s ball (the RSX300 v.s the angular one) which ball do you think is....
More versatile across a broad range of shots (frest, breakdown, carrydown, etc. i bowl on a 4 game set on crap wood so i looking for a ball i can stick with for a bit)
You obviously have thrown tons of ebonite equipment... where do rank these two balls and which do you prefer?
Thanks a bunch....
Greatness
Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 22, 2006, 09:39:06 PM
Greatness - If you're looking for some help on higher friction wood surface, I'd look to the RXS300. The Angular One has a very aggressive cover and may be a little earlier than you're looking for. While I'm sure you could get one to work, there are several other options, such as the RXS, that fit the situation better. I don't know anything about your physical game, but the smoothness and the length you'll get from the RXS300 should keep you in play on your surface for your entire night each week.
Good luck!
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Post by: APheLion on November 22, 2006, 09:43:41 PM
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I go one hand or twohanded, and mighty zone 2 is ALLMIGHTY!
Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 22, 2006, 09:46:19 PM
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Post by: ecc0_9879 on November 22, 2006, 09:46:33 PM
I threw both of them at the demo days andin my case the rsx out hooked and out hit the angular one i really like the rsx is it one hell of a weapon
Post by: ecc0_9879 on November 22, 2006, 09:46:49 PM
I threw both of them at the demo days andin my case the rsx out hooked and out hit the angular one i really like the rsx is it one great of a weapon
Post by: ecc0_9879 on November 22, 2006, 09:47:02 PM
I threw both of them at the demo days andin my case the rsx out hooked and out hit the angular one i really like the rsx is it one great of a weapon
Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 22, 2006, 09:50:27 PM
You're right! The right side gutter at Royal Crest is basically 3-4" wider than the one on the left. The colored tan wooden material called the first, second, third, and fourth boards might as well be considered the gutter.
eccO - Don't forget, that's RXS300. The one your referring to is from "that other company."
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Post by: ecc0_9879 on November 22, 2006, 09:52:40 PM
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Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 22, 2006, 09:53:07 PM
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Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 22, 2006, 09:55:40 PM
Hey, did you notice the fast 8 four-pin in the RXS300 video where the four slides back to the 7 1/2 spot? On top of our wonderous house surface and conditions, or pin decks are oh so clean. That lane had less than 1/2 of a game on it when that shot was taken, and the pins were already sliding all over the place. Cracks me up.
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Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 22, 2006, 10:10:52 PM
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Post by: iron chariots 02 on November 23, 2006, 07:03:10 AM
a rxs 300 and a whirlwind if they were drilled identically? would my
guess that the whirlwind would start up sooner because of the high
diff and be smoother off of the point because of its weaker core or
is the coverstock/core on the rxs300 so much stronger than the whirlwind's
that it would negate the difference in their specs and make it the
stronger overall ball?
Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 23, 2006, 09:23:21 AM
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Post by: loose5682 on November 28, 2006, 03:45:01 PM
In looking for a decent midlane roll and continuous, but semi-strong (note, not flippy) backend reaction on medium to medium-heavy oiled conditions (almost carrydown-ish, but not quite), in your opinion would I be better off with an Angular One or RXS300? I'd say i'm medium speed, medium-high revs, can get pretty versatile with hand positions/angle through the heads, but am still a high tracker...I was thinking of a layout VERY similar to the one that you have on your RXS300 that you threw in the video (pin above ring, MB swung out right, looks like about 2.5 to 3" right of centerline, that would put it at about a 4" x 3.5" (MB) layout for me and my axis).
By leaving the pin above the fingers, but probably taking the cover down to 2000 grit before drilling, I'm thinking I can combat early roll and overhook, yet still conserve energy for the backend while avoiding squirt through the breakpoint.
Ideally i'm looking for something a little longer than the strong particle pearl that i'm throwing in heavier oil, but not as long as the high pin, 2000 grit solid reactive that i'm currently throwing on heavier mediums that just labors to the pins and hits weak.
My apologies if that seemed confusing or long-winded, just looking for a general bit of advice, many thanks in advance!
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Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 28, 2006, 04:14:49 PM
If I was selling you the ball in a retail store, I would push you towards the RXS300 versus the Angular One. The Angular One reads the spot very quickly and has a lot of backend motion. The RXS300 is a little smoother off of the friction (as you're requesting), but is still a strong overall reaction. You're also correct that you may need to dull the surface slightly. This ball does come 4000 Abralon with Factory Finish polish. I've had a lot of success with GB covers in 2000 grit Abralon finish. I would definitely start there.
As far as the layout, you can check the exact layout specs at www.proshoptraining.com. The pin to PAP distance on mine was 4 1/2" in a 45 degree layout (mass bias 3 3/4" away from PAP). I also had to use a weight hole in my ball to the ending static weights and cg location. I really liked my ball motion before the weight hole, so I chose a smaller, mostly non-influential weight hole on my PAP. Smaller holes help to retain the original reaction and do not affect your ball reaction as much as a larger weight hole.
If you have any more questions, feel free to e-mail, post, or call me on the Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline at 785-843-2658. Good luck!
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Post by: loose5682 on November 28, 2006, 04:54:59 PM
I suspect this cover, with a little duller surface, and the natural "rollier-ness" of the core, should fit perfectly, especially if i go with a little stronger pin placement and MB location. Right now i've got a pin under Black Widow in this spot, but it's hook stop (pin under ring, MB next to thumb, about a 4.5" x 5" layout roughly, surface at 1000 grit) so I popped a weighthole in the thumb quadrant through the weight block to try to change up the reaction a little bit, get a little better reaction off the spot...if that doesn't work it's goin on the plug rack and i'm gonna drill the RXS...
I do have an Over Time on the way that I may need your help in laying out, i'm not sure what i'm gonna do with the ball yet, it'll depend on how the Black Widow experiment/RXS drill works out for me
Jeff, thanks again for your help and your attention to detail, I think you may have single-handedly turned some people on to Ebonite on this board, due to your detailed reviews, information, and videos supporting the Ebonite brand! I know coming from me it is MUCH appreciated!
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Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 29, 2006, 06:41:52 AM
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