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revTrex

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"trick layout" question...
« on: June 15, 2007, 05:11:18 AM »
alright, first off, I know all the basics on the TJ layout(s). I've read the Ebonite article, talked with some other folks, etc. Just had a few quick questions regarding it, though:

1) What does it do, technically speaking? I'm not talking about reaction shape, etc. I'm talking about track flare, RG, etc.

2) For a player like TJ, it made his One (a strong asymmetrical ball) stronger downlane, correct? Now, what if he put it on a symmetrical ball? Would it actually be pretty even in the back? Just wondering. The local Ebonite staffer that frequents my pro shop has a Whirlwind drilled with the TJ layout. It gets great length and a really smooth arc in the back, more so than his other Whirlwind, drilled with a pretty basic layout.  

Thanks in advance to those that can help!
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CoachJim

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Re: "trick layout" question...
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2007, 01:51:11 PM »
I have a TNV with the TJ and in box condition it goes an extra foot or 3 longer and snaps harder than the number 1 drilling, at least for me.

I have not tried a symetrical ball with this drilling yet, I am thinking about drilling up a Clash, I might use this layout and see what it does. I am also going to drill up a Bash to replace my Ice, I leave it in my locker for practice, so I am going to use the Bash for tournaments, it might also be a good candidate for the TJ since it will enhance the intended reaction of the ball.
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maysbnb

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Re: "trick layout" question...
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2007, 02:02:00 PM »
Hi revTrex,

The "Trick Layouts" utilize pin distances closer to the VAL (Vertical Axis Line i.e the line exactly perpindicular to your track containing your Positive Axis Point) than the norm.  Pins that are closer to the VAL will retain the original axis of rotation (off the bowlers hand) longer that pins further away from the VAL.  This is suitable for higher rev rate players like TJ to help prevent the ball from "rolling out".
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revTrex

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Re: "trick layout" question...
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2007, 02:28:11 PM »
Thanks guys. Might look into it further...although my rev rate isn't as high as TJ's, my ball roll is so strong that I often like drillings that will store more energy and retain rotation...
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Dan Belcher

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Re: "trick layout" question...
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2007, 02:40:52 PM »
Just be careful about using the TJ layout if you don't have very high revs.  Effectively, that layout tames the ball and makes it want to hook less.  Tommy's revs are so high that he controls how the ball reacts moreso than the ball itself controlling how it reacts when he uses this weaker drill.  Therefore, the ball doesn't start going early and rolling out for him.  His high rev rate lets the weaker ball still make a nice, aggressive charge at the pocket on the backend.  However, for someone with a lower rev rate, the TJ trick layout may just result in the ball being too weak and just not hooking much on the back.
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Re: "trick layout" question...
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2007, 03:09:48 PM »
quote:
Hi revTrex,

The "Trick Layouts" utilize pin distances closer to the VAL (Vertical Axis Line i.e the line exactly perpindicular to your track containing your Positive Axis Point) than the norm.  Pins that are closer to the VAL will retain the original axis of rotation (off the bowlers hand) longer that pins further away from the VAL.  This is suitable for higher rev rate players like TJ to help prevent the ball from "rolling out".
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Ryan, I always thought the VAL was the line perpendicular to the midline that runs through the PAP.
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maysbnb

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Re: "trick layout" question...
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2007, 03:51:31 PM »
You are correct Dan.  Thanks for catching that one.  I meant to say midline but for some reason wrote track.  I guess that's what happens when you are thinking of too many things at one time.


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CoachJim

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Re: "trick layout" question...
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2007, 03:30:50 AM »
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Just be careful about using the TJ layout if you don't have very high revs. Effectively, that layout tames the ball and makes it want to hook less. Tommy's revs are so high that he controls how the ball reacts moreso than the ball itself controlling how it reacts when he uses this weaker drill. Therefore, the ball doesn't start going early and rolling out for him. His high rev rate lets the weaker ball still make a nice, aggressive charge at the pocket on the backend. However, for someone with a lower rev rate, the TJ trick layout may just result in the ball being too weak and just not hooking much on the back.  


I have a medium rev rate and there is almost too much backend, so much so that I had to sand the TNV down to be able to control it. TJ's rev rate makes this drilling more controlable for him, but Patrick Allen uses the trick layout as well, it enables him to put less hand in the ball and still get the big move at the back end.

One other thing, the video showing Ron from Ebonite drilling a ball specificly for TJ and the specs were different than the one shown on the drilling sheet. TJ is 1" from the val and the drill sheet shows 1 1/2" from the val, and TJ's mb placement is at 90 degrees instead of 80 as shown on the sheet, I have mine at 75 degrees, I might try the next one at 90 and see if it makes a difference.
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