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playmaker vs. complete NV
« on: July 13, 2008, 01:23:12 PM »
which one is better? i am contemplating purchasing either
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Re: playmaker vs. complete NV
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2008, 09:35:24 PM »
I like the Complete better, it revs up quicker and is more angular downlane then the Playmaker.
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Re: playmaker vs. complete NV
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2008, 09:49:22 PM »
you posted earlier you want an aggressive pearl and if thats what you want go with the complete, the playmaker will be just a bit more angular than your polished gamebreaker depending on drilling
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Re: playmaker vs. complete NV
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2008, 09:56:39 PM »
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you posted earlier you want an aggressive pearl and if thats what you want go with the complete, the playmaker will be just a bit more angular than your polished gamebreaker depending on drilling
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I found that the Complete and Playmaker were pretty equal in overall hook potential.

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Re: playmaker vs. complete NV
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2008, 10:07:29 PM »
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you posted earlier you want an aggressive pearl and if thats what you want go with the complete, the playmaker will be just a bit more angular than your polished gamebreaker depending on drilling
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I found that the Complete and Playmaker were pretty equal in overall hook potential.

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i havent thrown either im just going by what ive seen. and from what ive seen the complete was a more but coulda been two completely different drillings
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Re: playmaker vs. complete NV
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2008, 01:59:53 PM »
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I like the Complete better, it revs up quicker and is more angular downlane then the Playmaker.
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you posted earlier you want an aggressive pearl and if thats what you want go with the complete, the playmaker will be just a bit more angular than your polished gamebreaker depending on drilling
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I found that the Complete and Playmaker were pretty equal in overall hook potential.

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If the Complete revs up quicker and is more angular, it hooks more, period.


I would say that the Complete is a bit stronger with the main difference coming in angularity, with the complete being more angular than the Playmaker.  The playmaker is one of the most even pearls that I've seen around.
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Re: playmaker vs. complete NV
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2008, 02:53:32 PM »
I was thinking of getting the playmaker to play off of my CNV. I was looking for something that was a bit smoother off the break to play below the CNV. If they are similar would drilling the playmaker pin down, which is the opposite of my CNV enough of a difference? Should I look at another option after hearing the posts in here?
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Re: playmaker vs. complete NV
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2008, 11:56:18 AM »
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I was thinking of getting the playmaker to play off of my CNV. I was looking for something that was a bit smoother off the break to play below the CNV. If they are similar would drilling the playmaker pin down, which is the opposite of my CNV enough of a difference? Should I look at another option after hearing the posts in here?
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They should offer a good combination.  I'd say that if you cut them up the same, it should be a pretty solid 1-2 punch.  

If you go with a lower pin on the Playmaker with the Complete with a high pin I figure that you'll get two balls that are very similar in overall hook, but with vastly different reaction shapes.  The Complete will get down the lane and turn sideways, while the Playmaker will be much more rolly and earlier rolling.  This is not necessarily a bad thing, but if you want a bit of a difference hook potential wise, cutting them the same may be the better option.

Your concern may be that they'll be too similar like that, but the Playmaker core will still tend to roll earlier and be smoother off the spot, as well as being weaker overall.
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Re: playmaker vs. complete NV
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 12:15:00 PM »
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If the Complete revs up quicker and is more angular, it hooks more, period.


I would say that the Complete is a bit stronger with the main difference coming in angularity, with the complete being more angular than the Playmaker.  The playmaker is one of the most even pearls that I've seen around.
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Really? Since when does more angle equal more hook? If anything, i'd say the Playmaker is stronger, being earlier and more even it can handle oil better.
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Re: playmaker vs. complete NV
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2008, 12:20:52 PM »
Dont have the playmaker ball but the guys around here are really liking it alot, have 2 complete's pin over ring and pin under both are good balls nothing special though.

Gravity Shift or Psycho are both better imo maybe the new venom not sure on that since still might get it, might not.
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Re: playmaker vs. complete NV
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 10:03:35 PM »
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If the Complete revs up quicker and is more angular, it hooks more, period.


I would say that the Complete is a bit stronger with the main difference coming in angularity, with the complete being more angular than the Playmaker.  The playmaker is one of the most even pearls that I've seen around.
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Really? Since when does more angle equal more hook? If anything, i'd say the Playmaker is stronger, being earlier and more even it can handle oil better.
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Your original post says that the Complete revs up quicker AND is more angular.  A ball can hook more than another ball if it revs up quicker, or if it is more angular on the backend.  If it is both, it must hook more.  I don't understand how you can say that the playmaker hooks earlier, but the complete revs up quicker, that doesn't make sense.
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Re: playmaker vs. complete NV
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2008, 04:52:45 PM »
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Your original post says that the Complete revs up quicker AND is more angular.  A ball can hook more than another ball if it revs up quicker, or if it is more angular on the backend.  If it is both, it must hook more.  I don't understand how you can say that the playmaker hooks earlier, but the complete revs up quicker, that doesn't make sense.
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I don't think you quite understand. When you say a ball revs up quick, that doesn't mean that it hooks early.  The Complete NV revs up immediately but doesn't actually start to hook till around the 45' mark.
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Re: playmaker vs. complete NV
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2008, 10:46:42 AM »
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Your original post says that the Complete revs up quicker AND is more angular.  A ball can hook more than another ball if it revs up quicker, or if it is more angular on the backend.  If it is both, it must hook more.  I don't understand how you can say that the playmaker hooks earlier, but the complete revs up quicker, that doesn't make sense.
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I don't think you quite understand. When you say a ball revs up quick, that doesn't mean that it hooks early.  The Complete NV revs up immediately but doesn't actually start to hook till around the 45' mark.
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I really have never seen that type of reaction.  Something that skids for a very short time, revs up a ton thereafter, and then snaps on the backend.  To me, a ball that gets sideways on the backend is something that is clean through the fronts.  Something that checks soon, or rolls quickly off one's hand is smooth.  This to me is a product of the manner in which a ball reacts to a lane condition.  It skids through the heavily oiled heads, then when it is able to encounter some friction it begins to roll, and finally when it encuonters the greatest degree of friction, it hooks.

Some equipment, typically solid covers matched with low rg cores, respond to a greater degree in the oil.  This stuff will roll quicker, but will respond to the backend in a more mild manner as the ball has already lost some of its tilt and rotation.  Other stuff, typically pearl covers and higher rgs, will not respond to the mildly oiled portion of the lane (the midlane), but will maintain tilt and rotation through to the backend.

My point in going through this is that if the Complete revs up quickly, it looses some of its tilt and rotation, therefore making it respond to the dry on the backend to a lesser degree.  To me, however, the Complete is cleaner through the fronts than the Playmaker, and thus responds to a greater degree on the backend.
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