Post by: Bowljr300 on April 21, 2006, 07:53:16 AM
Ebonite's "One" bowling balls. A few of my customers
have come back to say that they were dissatisfied with
the ball reaction. By chance, I placed one of the balls
on a Haas resurface machine for one minute using the
diamond wheels. To my astonishment, the ball had shiny
areas all over it--indicating flat spots. I resurfaced
another customer's "one" and found that it also had flat
spots all over it. I resurfaced four other "one" balls
that I had in inventory (1-16lb, 2-15lb, 1-14lb; all four
were as out-of-round as they could possibly be.
Next, I tried my experiement on four "Big One" balls that
were in inventory; all four of them were in the same
out-of-round condition. This sort of poor quality from
Ebonite is shocking!!
As for the customers whose balls I resurfaced, they love
the new reaction.
If you own an Ebonite "One" or "Big One" and are unhappy
with it, please don't give up on it. Take it to a shop
that has a resurfacing machine that can restore it to
a proper round condition.
Ebonite: Please improve your poor quality!
Post by: Billy Ray on April 21, 2006, 04:35:36 PM
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Post by: Bowljr300 on April 21, 2006, 04:37:04 PM
all of the track area and areas where the track flares.
Post by: Billy Ray on April 21, 2006, 05:04:07 PM
I am not saying I dont believe you but having been in and around the business for over 20 years and seen some really weird stuff with bowling balls, I find it hard to believe it was a factory problem? I wonder if something happened during shipping or possibly its something they didnt know about? Have you contacted Ebonite about this directly? Sometimes thats the only way a manufacturer learns about some stuff like this is through our input.
What would lead me to think this was an isolated incident is that ALOT of people love these balls myself included and we should have heard about this much sooner. Are all the balls from the same batch?
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Post by: Bowljr300 on April 21, 2006, 05:12:44 PM
possible.
The balls are not from the same batch. Two of them were
purchased when the "One" was first released. The others
were recent purchases. Also, keep in mind that the same
problem appears to be happening with the "Big One".
Lastly, not all of my customers were dissatisfied with
their purchase; for those who were, this has turned out
to have made a huge difference.
Post by: Bowljr300 on April 21, 2006, 05:27:23 PM
If my Haas machine were in need of calibration, I would
be seeing ALL bowling balls with this problem.
I didn't mention in my original post that I checked two
Columbia balls and two MoRich balls and they were in
excellent condition.
Post by: Bowljr300 on April 21, 2006, 06:12:18 PM
particular manufacturer, as they all make excellent
products. I sell Ebonite products and I throw Ebonite
bowling balls.
The point of my posting was this: If you don't like a
bowling ball reaction, try having it resurfaced.
This is good advise, be it Ebonite or any other
manufacturer.
Post by: the pizz on April 21, 2006, 07:03:03 PM
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Post by: sammy the sage on April 21, 2006, 09:12:16 PM
thanks for the heads-up....glad to know am not going crazy...
Post by: Bowljr300 on April 21, 2006, 09:57:38 PM
Thank you for advising that you are seeing this same
problem in Florida. I feel better knowing that I'm not
the only one who has found there to be a problem with
Ebonite's two newest releases.
Post by: ChrisH on April 23, 2006, 04:55:56 PM
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Post by: Bowljr300 on April 23, 2006, 10:20:41 PM
Next time you resurface one of these two balls, be
certain to use the diamond wheels for only 1 minute.
Dry the ball off and see if you find shiny areas mixed
with dull ones. If you do, then the ball has flat
spots.
Edited on 4/23/2006 10:20 PM
Post by: ambi1 on April 24, 2006, 01:51:35 AM
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Post by: da Shiv on April 24, 2006, 09:40:50 AM
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Post by: Carolina Kingpin on April 24, 2006, 03:18:08 PM
Maybe Ebonite has figured out a way to incorporate golf ball technology into bowling balls. Are the flat spots hexagonal? Are there about 336 of them? Have your customers noticed a difference in shot trajectory?
CK
Post by: LuckyLefty on April 24, 2006, 03:30:44 PM
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Post by: Carolina Kingpin on April 29, 2006, 11:43:50 PM
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Post by: Bowljr300 on April 30, 2006, 04:18:10 PM
Congratulations on your score. I'm glad that you had
the ball resurfaced before giving up on it. The "One"
is a good ball;however, something appears to have gone
wrong with Ebonite's quality control. Keep shooting
great scores!!
Carolina Kingpin,
1 minute is sufficient time for the Haus Machine to
touch the entire surface of the ball. Each of the three
diamond wheels are 5 inches in diameter and the ball
is turned in all directions at a rapid pace. I've now
used this same technique on: Brunswick, MoRich, Columbia
and Track equipment. Some of their balls showed some
intermittent shiny spots with dull ones--the shiney
areas are the flat spots--but none were in as bad a
condition as the Ebonite balls. Based upon responses,
these balls have appeared in: Texas, Florida and Illinois.
For those who have questioned the "calibration" of the
Haus Machine, let me state that the machine requires no
calibration; it only requires lubrication and cleaning.
Post by: Bowljr300 on April 30, 2006, 09:32:54 PM
1. The entire ball is touched by the Haus Machine in the
one minute.
2. This same method has been tried on other manufacturers
and their balls don't reveal the same problem.
3. The problem has been seen in two other states and
corroborated on this same thread.
Believe whomever you please.
And,yes,my proshop is still in business and thriving.
Post by: TWOHAND834 on April 30, 2006, 09:53:31 PM
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Post by: Bowljr300 on April 30, 2006, 10:00:29 PM
The problem here is that if the ball has low areas--I'll
call them that for the sake of this discussion, and, no,
you would not be able to feel them--then the ball does
not have complete contact with the lane. For high rev
players looking for distance, but with enough hand to
force the ball to make the corner, these low areas might
not bother them. However, for players with less hand,
they need all of the "foot print" that they can possibly
get.
The purpose of my post was to encourage bowlers to
resurface their ball if they weren't pleased with it. I
have stated in several responses that the "One" is a
good ball.
Also, I'm not seeing this same problem with other companies.
Post by: Bowljr300 on April 30, 2006, 10:26:27 PM
placed the balls on a MoRich determinator and the balls
have a noticeable bounce to them.
I've also noticed this bounce effect with some lower end
balls from another manufacturer.