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TWOHAND834

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Surface prep on the NVS
« on: August 14, 2007, 02:18:29 PM »
I have heard both on here and here at home about some skepticism about the reaction OOB for the NVS.  There are some that say the Total NV hooks more than the NVS when it should be the opposite.  I am here to shed some light on the subject.

A good friend of mine and Ebonite Staffer, Dannial Cohen, has drilled a couple of these NVSs, including for himself, and OOB, the ball did seem to push quite a bit.  WELL........we think that it might have something to do with the polish on the ball, because after taking the ball back to the shop and hitting it with a fresh piece of 2000 abralon, the ball became a beast (not literally all you old Columbia people )  The ball read the mids quite a bit earlier than the Total NV and the continuation was obvious with no quit.  The NVS reminds me alot of the ONE that came out a couple years ago.  OOB, the ball was pushy.  But, when you took a 2000 abralon to it, the ball was completely different.

SO.....for those that drill the NVS and don't like the reaction OOB, try hitting it with a fresh 2000 abralon and prepare for what the ball was advertised for (8-10 boards stronger than the Total).  Don't give up on it.
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Re: Surface prep on the NVS
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2007, 10:53:23 PM »
But, Steve, of course there'll be  HUGE difference in any ball what is finished to 2000 grit PLUS polish versus the same ball without the polish, 2000 grit matte. I would definitely expect it (an NVS sanded to 2000 grit) to hook earlier than the TNV, which is 4000 grit + polish. The thing is which would hook earlier: an NVS or a TNV when both are sanded to 2000 grit.

Or did I miss somehting else in your scenario?
(I can't imagine you said the above; so I must have missed something. It's a little late and I am tired.)
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Re: Surface prep on the NVS
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2007, 07:31:27 AM »
I agree. How comparable would the reaction be if both balls were at the same grit? 2000, 2000 polished, 4000, 4000 polished. And another thing i have noticed. Noone on here has compared these two balls with the same drill pattern. Everyone says this and that but do not mention how similar their layout is... One post said since the NVS is early and smooth they drilled it later than their TNV. Well DUH the ball is going to hook later. So if someone could drill both the same and gives us feedback on oob, and the same grits i think it would help a bunch. Im ordering mine today because i really like the 2 TNVs i already have. Ill be sure to add my post to the list to try and help us figure out what this ball will do, versus what it is said it will do...
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Dan Belcher

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Re: Surface prep on the NVS
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2007, 07:38:21 AM »
For what it's worth, I'm not surprised the NVS did well at 2000 abralon.  I've had my Total NV at either 1500 or 2000 abralon for both a house shot and the Scorpion and Shark PBA Experience patterns.  It's more predictable with the earlier read (much less over/under reaction) and the pin action is phenomenal.

I'm almost afraid to get an NVS if it really is that much more aggressive than the Total NV -- I would have to swing the ball more than I like just to keep it right of head pin.  It would be nice to see if someone can give us a direct comparison of the two balls.

TWOHAND834

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Re: Surface prep on the NVS
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2007, 04:33:01 PM »
Believe me you guys.  I am in total understanding what abralons and polishes do to change ball reactions.  At the house that I work at and Dannial has his shop at, both balls were rolled down the lane with a little bit of carrydown.  It wasnt too much as Dannial's Raid, with a similar layout and OOB finish, pealed off the spot more than the NVS.  But, once he hit the NVS with 2000, the NVS outhooked then Raid by a good arrow if not more.  Even with the carrydown, once he hit it with the 2000, the NVS, no exaggeration, started its roll a good 10 feet sooner.  Picture this.  OOB, he was playing 10 out to 5 to get any reaction.  If he pulled it up 12 out to 8, the ball never made it.  He takes it to the shop and comes back out only to play 10 out to 5 and the ball goes left at 35 feet.  He makes a good 5 and 3 move and a star was born.  The ball was rolling at 30-35 feet and never stopped, even on the carrydown.  The NVS chewed right through it.  I guess it is hard that even with the same grit underneath the polish, that it would make that big a difference.  But, it did.  

By the way.  Since we are asking the difference between the TNV and the NVS, at 2000, the NVS is still a good arrow stronger.  I have a TNV and used it at 2000, and with my rev rate, it still pushed down the lane quite a bit further than the NVS did at a much less rev rate (540 vs 300) and the same surface.  The TNV is still more length and backend compared to the NVS which is much more midlane.
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Re: Surface prep on the NVS
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2007, 04:51:51 PM »
Yep I have one NVS in box and it actually goes very long and then turns hard, i am having a 2 nd one drilled up that I will take down to 2k no polish.

I am pretty sure that it will move alot earlier and hook more than the one i have now.

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Re: Surface prep on the NVS
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2007, 09:17:53 AM »
I was just curious about the nvs due to the fact that i drilled one up for myself. it did get me too far down the lane.the layout is 4" under the fingers with the mb at 45 degree angle. one thing i was curious in knowing is that the coverstock seemed awfully shining,like a marble is this the way the ball actually came or did i receive one of the earlier released ball and since have they tweaked the surface

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Re: Surface prep on the NVS
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2007, 10:07:46 AM »
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I was just curious about the nvs due to the fact that i drilled one up for myself. it did get me too far down the lane.the layout is 4" under the fingers with the mb at 45 degree angle. one thing i was curious in knowing is that the coverstock seemed awfully shining,like a marble is this the way the ball actually came or did i receive one of the earlier released ball and since have they tweaked the surface

It comes at 2000 polished OOB, so it is going to be shiny looking.  If you're getting too far down the lane, hit it with 2000 abralon to knock off the polish and see what that does.

TWOHAND834

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Re: Surface prep on the NVS
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2007, 03:50:56 PM »
After what I have seen with my own eyes, I highly recommend hitting it with a 2000 abralon pad.  It will be completely night and day as to the difference in reaction.
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Re: Surface prep on the NVS
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2007, 10:04:22 PM »
Well, after picking mine up last Friday, and throwing it last Sunday afternoon league. I realize the ball being out of the box, and throwing it on the third game, I had to play it way outside (#1 drilling). I had difficulty in adjusting to lane condition (heavy oil synthetic). So after reading about surface management on the NVS, I took the ball to my driller to hit it with 2000 abralon. I'll be getting the ball back tomorrow to see if there's actually a change from original surface.

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Re: Surface prep on the NVS
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2007, 11:34:07 PM »
Steve is the man ball at 2k was way to much ball tonight for a medium oil shot, i would estimate 11-13 boards stronger and way earlier. It never stopped hooking at 2k and for my style which is not swinging the ball it was too much.

I went to my shiny NVS and it worked well, the heads blew out by 2 and after messing around with a spit fire that was over/under i made a 10 board left with the NVS and was back in business.

Very versatile ball it will go up the boards shiny and hook with anything else made at just 2k.



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After what I have seen with my own eyes, I highly recommend hitting it with a 2000 abralon pad.  It will be completely night and day as to the difference in reaction.
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