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Gixer

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Whats so good about Ebonite?
« on: January 17, 2009, 09:01:18 PM »
To all the people who throw Ebonite exclusively, what is it about Ebonite that keeps you interested in their equipment? I read alot of negative posts regarding Ebonite more so than any other company. I was just wondering because its time for me to get another ball and I always seem to migrate towards purchasing an Ebonite ball. Last year I did however purchase a Hammer BWP but I didn't like it. I swore to myself that I would stay away from Ebonite and go with either Storm or Brunswick but here I am getting ready to purchase a Gamebreaker and Playmaker. Why can't I stay away from Ebonite? Does anybody else have this problem?
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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2009, 02:41:12 PM »
Why Ebonite? I think they have the most technology of any company to date, with Ebonite, Hammer, Columbia & Track under the same roof they have more resources than the other companies combined. Not every ball is designed for all bowlers and that is what is nice about the Internet, read up on what is working for what style of bowler. The NV series was all about different styles, The original works great on tour & Sport patterns as it rolls up early and reads the mid-lane better. Bowlers that have a lower rev count loved this ball on house conditions as helped them get back to the pocket. The Complete and NVD were 2 separate balls as the core was rotated so it gave you a different look, tour players couldn't throw the Complete or NVS as it went too long for them on most patterns but they worked great on a nice house blend. Why would anyone want all 4 of the NV series to perform the same, you got a different look with each and ever one of them, find the one that works best for your game.

Bring back the V2 core was another great move with the Playmaker and Pin Slasher the mid range is one of the hottest sellers.


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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2009, 02:45:11 PM »
Very nice post.  I find it amazing at how many players say "x-ball is a bad ball" yet as soon as they step into a pro shop they tell the driller to "drill it for maximum hook" then when they get their 3 3/8"ths stack, step out on their low volume 37ft THS, and try to freespin it right and see no recovery all of a sudden it's the "companys" fault because they didn't develop a ball that you can "stack out" and cover up all of their inconsistancies.

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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2009, 02:52:50 PM »
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Very nice post.  I find it amazing at how many players say "x-ball is a bad ball" yet as soon as they step into a pro shop they tell the driller to "drill it for maximum hook" then when they get their 3 3/8"ths stack, step out on their low volume 37ft THS, and try to freespin it right and see no recovery all of a sudden it's the "companys" fault because they didn't develop a ball that you can "stack out" and cover up all of their inconsistancies.

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Oh how right you are.  

If people just realized what their games are all about, and the lane conditions they're competing on, they could get away with low to mid range balls and score better more often.  Oh yea and save money too!
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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2009, 03:02:10 PM »
[/quote]

Oh how right you are.  

If people just realized what their games are all about, and the lane conditions they're competing on, they could get away with low to mid range balls and score better more often.  Oh yea and save money too!
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True statement..

hehe, I got away with a 650 with a jazz the other day on a med/heavy shot.
Love that ball.

But I know for a fact now that it's not about hooking the ball anymore, playing straighter will carry much better than going coast to coast..
even for me though with my higher rev rate, I haven't found much use for a hook monster unless the lanes are flooded, so rarely will I use a ball like that..regular THS houses around here I use all mid-range medium balls or lower end dry lane stuff even..

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Gixer

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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2009, 05:30:21 PM »
Well I finally made a decision and decided to go with a Roto Grip Grand Illusion and I might also buy a Cell Pearl.
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ambi1

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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2009, 10:08:58 PM »
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Ebonite has sucked overall with except to Matrix, V2, and One series.  Actually in the One series, the only ball that is good is the original.  Click my sig for pics of what happens to the One though after you strike a lot - ball split in half and is now sniffing the roses in my mom's yard (I dump balls in the yard for decoration LOL).

Overall, Ebonite produces way too many mediocre balls and never does research to produce anything decent.

P.S. Entire NV series sucks except the limited edition original NV which sells for $500 on bowlingball.com LOL.

P.S.S. Name the last time Ebonite won on tour.  Even Tommy Jones couldn't win with the One Pearl. LOL.
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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2009, 10:57:49 AM »
You can continue throwing whatever you want, I'll continue to use my One Pearl and NVD thanks
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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2009, 04:46:24 PM »
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He doesn't have much experience with anything except for running his mouth on bowling related topics he knows nothing about.  It's pretty amusing.  Everyday I have something to LMAO at while at work because it's so off base from reality and he believes every bit of it.
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Storm is doing well,  the Gravity and the Virtual have been good sellers.
Roto has done very well with the Cells.

Hammer is Ebonite!!!!!!  Hello anybody home?

Now Ebonite is doing great with mid price and entry level balls.

Columbia has had a very good run with the Resurgence and the Momentum.
And some of their mid price balls.

Brunswick,   wait,  I am trying to think of a model that sells.  give me some time and I am sure I will be able to think of one.  Hey, the Rattler,  sold one today,  the first day they were in the shop!!!!!!   wow


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Stan

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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2009, 04:58:54 PM »
If it has not been said, then here it is:

"There are no bad balls, just bad bowlers"

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ambi1

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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2009, 10:04:54 PM »
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If it has not been said, then here it is:

"There are no bad balls, just bad bowlers"



so true... but combininig all the brands together, there has been probably one or two that were really, shall we say "underperformers".
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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2009, 02:49:43 AM »
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What's so great about Ebonite?  They're not Lane #1.


well whats so good about Lane #1 then?
not trying to do any Lane #1 bashing but than just cant stand people bashing others
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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2009, 04:13:01 AM »
Just an observation, but it seems to me that the best selling Ebonite balls and the ones that have received the most positive remarks in the last year are their mid-price point balls.  The thing they seem to have in common are re-visited cores.  Their upper end performance balls just have not sold or had any comments that I have heard.
Not throwing any of the four umbrella brands, I can't comment on individual reactions, but it seems like the line between Ebonite and Columbia is becoming blurry, with regard to brand characteristics.  Track is still the cutting-edge technology brand.  Hammer still seems to carve out a niche with our area bowlers.
Bottom line is (and not just with Ebonite) ...

There are just too many D@MN balls coming out that don't really have that different a reaction or character as those that are out there now.  My thanks to those companies (too few) that take it easy on new releases.

I used to be able to keep up with them all, but now it is almost impossible.

Just my opinion and not the opinion of anyone I might be associated with or anything I might be associated with.
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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2009, 04:57:01 AM »
man, i can't find enough oil around here to use my bite! i've thrown a couple of the nv's, and can say that they pick up a good deal in the mids, and have a decent backend. i can't really say they are bad balls because i don't own any. i did throw the old wolf series (telling my age here!), and the matrix balls and loved them. bottom line: all ball companies make great pieces and all ball companies make bad pieces if you listen to the bowlers, but really it's how you match up to the ball. i love storm stuff, but i didn't match up to the eraser series that was so popular. they weren't bad balls, they just didn't fit my game. just because you don't bowl good with a certain ball doesn't make it a bad one, it could be a drilling issue, or maybe it needs a cover change?
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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2009, 06:25:15 AM »
sleepy, that was a funny post.  We have one of those guys!  Yes, the tee shirt with the slogan, the wagner power painter, and the big scores were always on "the tough condition".  LOL, thanks for the laugh this morning.   And I also agree with most posters:  All companies put out duds, but you can't deny that the Gamebreaker, the Pin Slasher, the Playmaker, and Complete NV have all performed.  3 of those made the Bowlers Journal list for balls of the year in their respective categories.  Yeah, i know, who knows about that list, but the four balls I listed above have kept Ebonite in the game, IMO.
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Re: Whats so good about Ebonite?
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2009, 12:43:05 PM »
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Last month I was at a very large demo day that featured Ebonite, Columbia,
Hammer and Track--all Ebonite umbrella companies.  There were a total of
20 different balls to throw.  I threw 4 different Ebonite balls and not one
of them matched up well for me.  Several other balls worked great.  Even
though all were owned by the same company, Ebonite was by far the worst.  I
have not had an Ebonite ball for several years as at one time 4 of them died
on me at about 60 games and could not be brought back.  At that time I said
I would not buy Ebonite for awhile.  Still will not.


I had basically the same experience at a recent demo day. None of the Ebos (or Track) that I threw impressed me at all yet the Hammer stuff was very good as was some of of the Columbia. Alot of people in my area love the big E, yet for me the Gamebreaker is the only one worth a damn.

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