Post by: Gazoo on June 06, 2009, 12:01:43 PM
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Post by: EboKnight on June 06, 2009, 09:30:48 PM
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Post by: Gazoo on June 07, 2009, 03:25:57 PM
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Post by: Juggernaut on June 07, 2009, 03:41:53 PM
It's not just Ebonite either. Virtually ALL ball companies build balls designed to absorb oil, saying that is what makes them perform.
High performance and low durability. the manufacturers love it because it keeps their sales alive.
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Post by: mainzer on June 07, 2009, 04:13:08 PM
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When will you learn that manufacturers DO NOT WANT balls to last very long, that way they can always sell you another one.
It's not just Ebonite either. Virtually ALL ball companies build balls designed to absorb oil, saying that is what makes them perform.
High performance and low durability. the manufacturers love it because it keeps their sales alive.
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thats why I avoid ebonite
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Post by: Juggernaut on June 07, 2009, 04:28:53 PM
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thats why I avoid ebonite
Like I said, it's not just Ebonite. A few companies have made adequate equipment with decent lifespans, so why don't they all?
I think it's because making them absorb oil in order to work is cheaper, easier, and is "planned obsolesence", which amounts to a modicum of job security.
Why don't Lanemasters and Visionary balls die out as quickly as many others? Or seem to wear out so fast?
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Post by: cheech on June 07, 2009, 05:01:32 PM
if you clean and resurface and rejuvenate on a regular basis and actually take care of a bowling ball every ball can last 1000 games. its not terribly hard.
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Post by: azguy on June 07, 2009, 05:08:11 PM
You could also put the same core inside the Big Bang XL polished for lighter oil.
JMO
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Post by: VIXIV on June 07, 2009, 05:11:00 PM
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if you clean and resurface and rejuvenate on a regular basis and actually take care of a bowling ball every ball can last 1000 games. its not terribly hard.
This is true in my experience as well.
Post by: DP3 on June 07, 2009, 05:16:52 PM
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I'd rather see the V2 core inside the Big Bang cover, no polish, no particles with a 2000 grit finish.
Like the V2 Power?
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You could also put the same core inside the Big Bang XL polished for lighter oil.
Like the V2 Clean?
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Post by: Juggernaut on June 07, 2009, 05:38:30 PM
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Post by: DP3 on June 07, 2009, 05:40:15 PM
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Post by: Gazoo on June 07, 2009, 05:42:27 PM
My point was not a criticism of Ebonite or the GB covers as I have primarily thrown Ebonite for 25 years(also have a Big One that still performs fairly well on the right condition with several hundred games on it) But just take that great V2 core and wrap a tried and true reactive coverstock around it. Much like Brunswick continues to use PK18 on some of their equipment. Every manufacturer needs a workhorse.
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Post by: Joe Jr on June 07, 2009, 05:43:04 PM
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Post by: azguy on June 07, 2009, 06:28:50 PM
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I'd rather see the V2 core inside the Big Bang cover, no polish, no particles with a 2000 grit finish.
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Like the V2 Power?
No, V2 Power was the Modified Trimax
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You could also put the same core inside the Big Bang XL polished for lighter oil.
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Like the V2 Clean?
Yep, pretty much
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Post by: Juggernaut on June 07, 2009, 06:59:39 PM
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Juggernaut,
My point was not a criticism of Ebonite or the GB covers as I have primarily thrown Ebonite for 25 years(also have a Big One that still performs fairly well on the right condition with several hundred games on it) But just take that great V2 core and wrap a tried and true reactive coverstock around it. Much like Brunswick continues to use PK18 on some of their equipment. Every manufacturer needs a workhorse.
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I understand, and didn't mean to mislead your thread. Ebonite used to be high on my list as well, but got away from the durability and performance I had grown accustomed to from them. They started to lose me when they went through their "Big Daddy, Mac Daddy, Big Wheel, Big Bang" and all their "modified" versions. You couldn't keep up with which ball had which cover in which formulation, with or without particles.
Throw in their "BOMBS AWAY" technology, and it was simply too much for many to try to keep up with.
In my opinion, while the Phased Bomber was good, about the last GREAT cover they had was TRIMAX. It could cover a wide variety of conditions, worked well with many different weightblocks at many different surface finishes, and had enough durability to last for two-three seasons or longer if maintained properly.
Had an Overtime and I understand what you say, it was a good, strong, reliable piece. But it was about the last one I had that I liked.
Like I said, put the ICE cover on that V2 weightblock ( in essence a V2 pearl, even though the ICE was supposed to be solid), name it whatever you want, and you'll have your workhorse, one that will be dependable for quite a while.
I can appreciate your desire for a good, reliable cover on that weightblock, as I had a Gamebreaker and was hoping that was what IT would be. Gamebreaker was good, but not like the TRIMAX was, at least for me.
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Post by: azguy on June 07, 2009, 07:12:57 PM
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Post by: charlest on June 07, 2009, 07:46:24 PM
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I know it's a cover from Hammer but my dream ball would be the V2 core inside the Cut Throat cover.
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Roger,
You're being far too realistic. Such a good ball would last and last, and be a benchmark for a long time. Cutthroat is too much like PK 18 to be a real consideration for modern products.
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Post by: azguy on June 07, 2009, 08:11:02 PM
The Hawg I have still kicks when I toss it right. Not the ball's fault I can't bowl worth beans !
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