Post by: psaunders300 on February 19, 2010, 12:47:42 AM
I am looking for a medium-heavy to heavy oil ball, but I am not sure this is it since it has a pearl cover.
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Edited on 2/19/2010 9:50 AM
Post by: jls on February 19, 2010, 10:00:38 AM
No problem with this beast handling oil...
It may be a pearl, but the OOB finish is a 2000 A pad...
Most of the time, people take it up to 4000, and polish...
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Post by: psaunders300 on February 19, 2010, 10:36:18 AM
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Post by: jls on February 19, 2010, 02:25:56 PM
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Thanks jls, I thought as much but wanted to make sure. I have seen plenty of these on the lanes this week and I was impressed!!
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Sir
Well I can certainly see why you or anyone would question it...
They keep coming out with high end balls in a dull finish that can't handle oil....
The Evolve for example....
Yet it was not meant to be an oil ball.... so why, why bring it out dull and confuse everyone into thinking it can handle oil?????
I polish my Evolves before I put them on display....
Now that they are on closeout, sold 3 yesterday......
But the Mission is doing what it is suppose to do...
Handle oil.....
And make Barnes look bad on TV.... oops sorry...
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Post by: bighook69 on February 19, 2010, 02:28:45 PM
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on February 19, 2010, 02:39:36 PM
Edited on 2/19/2010 3:41 PM
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on February 19, 2010, 02:41:30 PM
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on February 19, 2010, 02:42:29 PM
if you are looking for the ball to do that, you will get what you want...
Post by: psaunders300 on February 19, 2010, 02:46:31 PM
I had a guy shoot a 779 against me last night with his brand new mission, he could have had a 300/800, but he threw a bad tenth shot in the third game...
An older friend of mine who does not turn the ball much made it look good last night too, so it seems to fit any style of bowler, which is nice.
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Edited on 2/19/2010 3:47 PM
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on February 19, 2010, 02:48:44 PM
And this is coming from someone that had previously vowed never to throw Ebonite again after the V2 series...
Edited on 2/19/2010 3:49 PM
Post by: bighook69 on February 19, 2010, 02:53:38 PM
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on February 19, 2010, 02:55:12 PM
Edited on 2/19/2010 3:55 PM
Post by: bighook69 on February 19, 2010, 02:59:22 PM
Post by: jls on February 19, 2010, 04:00:44 PM
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What you should do jls is finish the evolves like the mission...
Edited on 2/19/2010 3:41 PM
Sir
The Mission is a 2.48, the Evolve is a 2.57...
Now before the Mission was born... If we had to, we would take the Evolve down to 500, and then bring it up to 1000 or 2000, depending on who was throwing it.
But since the birth of the Mission... We don''t have to do that anymore...
If someone wants an Oil Ball... We can sell them the Mission...
No need now to take the Evolve down...
So now we polish it... Looks great polished...
And we sell it as a go long ball for lighter patterns...
Just because one puts on a Nike shirt doesn''t mean they will hit the ball like Tiger.....
Did I mention we sold 3 yesterday, and 1 more today....
That may be a record.... oops sorry
Plus the fact that the ball is on closeout, doesn''t hurt....
I sure hope my dist. doesn''t run out.....
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Edited on 2/20/2010 10:33 AM
Post by: jls on February 19, 2010, 04:01:49 PM
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I agree, the Mission is great. After the Evolve I said enough and was done with Ebonite till I saw the Mission... pretty happy I got this one!
So is Miss Kelly, oops, sorry
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on February 19, 2010, 09:53:31 PM
Post by: psaunders300 on February 20, 2010, 03:05:11 PM
Thanks again to everyone for their help, I think this one is a winner!
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Edited on 2/20/2010 4:15 PM
Post by: directdrill on February 20, 2010, 03:07:19 PM
Do you polish the Evolve over box finish, or do you take it down in grit to 1000 or 2000 Abralon before you polish?
I just bought an Evolve, and I really like it. Drilled it 45* x 4-1/2" x 30*, with a weight hole in the P3 location. This ball is really strong in the midlane, and has a nice move on the backend. Now that they are on closeout, I'm considering buying one with a longer pin and going pin up and polish, to separate the two. Any thoughts?
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The Evolve for example....
Yet it was not meant to be an oil ball.... so why, why bring it out dull and confuse everyone into thinking it can handle oil?????
I polish my Evolves before I put them on display....
Now that they are on closeout, sold 3 yesterday......
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Post by: jls on February 22, 2010, 09:29:18 AM
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JLS,
Do you polish the Evolve over box finish, or do you take it down in grit to 1000 or 2000 Abralon before you polish?
I just bought an Evolve, and I really like it. Drilled it 45* x 4-1/2" x 30*, with a weight hole in the P3 location. This ball is really strong in the midlane, and has a nice move on the backend. Now that they are on closeout, I'm considering buying one with a longer pin and going pin up and polish, to separate the two. Any thoughts?quote:
The Evolve for example....
Yet it was not meant to be an oil ball.... so why, why bring it out dull and confuse everyone into thinking it can handle oil?????
I polish my Evolves before I put them on display....
Now that they are on closeout, sold 3 yesterday......
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Sir
Depends on the bowler... Now last week I left the Evolve's at 4000 A-pad for all 3 bowlers... And then hit it with polish...One I had to use extended polish on his ball...
They all needed it for the desert...
Heard from 2 of them today...On Sunday one shot 269 and won $450, and his team mate shot 279 and won $700....
And their other team mate shot 793 with the Mission on Sat. Night in another house...with a 300 game... box finish....
But if we were selling the Evolve to someone with less hand, for more of a house shot, then I would knock it down... 500, 1000, and maybe stop at 2000 A-pad..
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Post by: Phoneman on February 22, 2010, 09:36:57 AM
Post by: psaunders300 on February 22, 2010, 11:13:38 AM
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Hey Paul glad to hear you are liking the Mission so far. I had to take the surface to 4000 ab. Once i did that I used it 3 nights last week averaged 250 for the week including 4 279 games. I have to remember to take hand out of the ball to use this thing. Should work good on the left side for you.
Thanks Mike! It seems you are matching up good with yours!!
I am looking forward to see what this one will do. I bowl in two different houses, one with a shot on the drier side so I will not be using this ball there, LOL. The other house has been keeping their shot fairly flat, long and heavy for most of the year and I am hoping it will help me there. Also hoping to use it for upcoming tournaments (local, state, and national tournaments and others).
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Post by: J_w73 on February 22, 2010, 12:07:37 PM
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Post by: J_w73 on February 22, 2010, 01:50:44 PM
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I can't say I've had success yet since I only threw it for about 4 games practicing but I have my drilled 4 X 4.5 and this thing hooks a ton!!! I might have to hit mine with a 4000 pad just to keep it on the lanes.
What degree is the pin to the VAL ? Where is the pin ? That will make a huge difference in the reaction you get
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on February 23, 2010, 05:24:43 PM
"This ball has really impressed me. From what I've seen It seems to react better on dry lanes, or lanes with light to medium oil. If the lanes are burnt out Expect this ball react too much and come in too hard. If there's too much oil on the lanes Don't expect much reaction from the ball."
So basically this ball is comparable to some low end simplistic symmetric ball?
Not that what I've seen.
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 23, 2010, 10:39:01 PM
Ball started out with 3 oz top and a 2-3/4" pin. I chose the same layout I have on my Lunatic since I really like how that ball reacts but figure the Mission will be a bit stronger due to the core and cover combination.
The layout is 60 x 4 x 60. Weighthole is 2" below my PAP on the VAL.
http://www.dougsproshop.net/images/MyArsenal/Mission.jpg
I had the opportunity to throw a few games with the ball before I had to leave. The shot was our THS after 3 games from a 3 man league.
First off for a ball at 2000 Abralon and no polish, this ball totally ignore the heads. We do typically have good head oil but it gets sketchy as the night goes on.
What I am seeing on the back /12 of the lane is exactly what Ebonite said we would see.....the ball rolls, reads, and reacts. I am seeing a very strong and smooth reaction down the lane. No herky, jerky reactions here...no skid/flip on this one....strong and smooth.
The Mission plays very strong on an inside line. No overreaction as the ball comes off the pattern, it just rolls thru the heads, reads teh pattern and then reacts to the end of the pattern...just exceptional.
Playing a bigger swing shot further outside yielded a slightly stronger more angular backend reaction but nothing uncontrollable.
Have I mentioned the carry? The carry on this ball is phenomenal. I carried a lot of crap that I should not have carried. This ball carries every bit as well as my Lane 1 stuff which has always carried better than others in my hands.
I am going to work with the ball some more tomorrow night in league....I'll post more later.
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Post by: tizzle on February 23, 2010, 10:50:06 PM
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag..A radiated C-System 3.5,an Invasion, a bright red Mission, a Motiv Qz1 Fire ball,and a green Avalanche.. how can I lose....
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Post by: Doug Sterner on February 24, 2010, 02:23:02 PM
Any ideas here? I think i have the answer pinned down but I'm not totally sure.
He's got the ball drilled pin over the ring with the mass bias close to the strong position. So he's got it drilled for long and strong and now is saying that the ball doesn't roll...go figure.
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Post by: Motogp69 on February 24, 2010, 02:27:56 PM
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Post by: Doug Sterner on February 24, 2010, 02:50:19 PM
When you are pumping out a new ball ever 4 weeks there is no way you can be doing the proper testing of the ball.
The Mission has been in R&D since last June. Why is it so good? They have tested it across the gamut of bowlers as well as lane conditions to make sure it is "right" before they put it on the shelves....
again kudos to Ebonite and Bill Scheid for taking the time to make it right and not just flop out another ball.
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on February 24, 2010, 05:27:04 PM
Post by: psaunders300 on February 24, 2010, 06:01:29 PM
and trying different lines to see what worked. The last two games I threw it for "real" and had a great look.--------------------
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Post by: Doug Sterner on February 24, 2010, 09:04:51 PM
:-P
As an update...I threw the Mission a couple games tonight on some synthetics that hook quite a bit....oil? didn't see any on my ball at all unless I threw the ball inside of teh 3rd arrow so it probably wasnt the best testing bed but oh well.
The ball again read the midlane like a champ and had a ddefined, strong move on the backend...the only hint of "snap" I saw was when I rolled the ball out to the 5 board with my fingers dead up the back. The ball then bounced off the 5 board and headed for teh pocket with authority.
If we dont get snowed out tomorrow night I will throw it some more then.
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