I DON'T CARE THE WAY YOU THROW THE BALL IF IT NOT DRILL RIGHT OR THE LAYOUT DOES NOT FIT YOUR STYLE OF BOWLING , NO BALL WILL WORK FOR YOU, I GOT 3 ELITE BALLS ECHO, REV, Espionage, THEY ARE AWSOME BALLS, BUT LAYOUT GOT TO FIT YOU REV RATE AND YOUR STYLE OF BOWLING, USE THE CORE OF THE BALL, I SEE EVERYONE REVING THE BALL, LET THE CORE DO THE WORK