I guess I should have been more specific, my green Alien has a 1" pin and I have both the pin and cg in my palm, so I did try the maroon first for heavy oil and it worked well for that, the green also worked well for that. I now have it at the grey to combat carry down and heads that are starting to get a little spotty, I use this sometimes as my second game or mid-second game ball and with this surface and drilling I usually just kind of fluff the release and it handles the carry down pretty well. And btw I did use my ball spinner and the six sided method to sand, next I will try 1500 grit and Beans Secret Sauce just see what I get, for I really like it on my Gold Label for mediums.
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Patrick
