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Wallshot

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NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« on: January 08, 2007, 02:38:10 PM »
The NM continues to amaze me. 828 tonight and 1061 for 4 games in the Masters League (269, 270, 289, 233)

This is truly one amazing, hard rolling/hitting ball. I'm going to order two more for different conditions. I want to thank the forum for all the info on drilling techniques associated with the NM. You truly helped create A MONSTER!!!!
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Re: NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2007, 10:42:25 PM »
Too bad Hammer didn't make folks fully realize the potential and it takes a forum like BR to fully realize it.  Manufacturer dropped the ball by letting misaligned balls out of the plant......that's my story and I'm sticking to it.  

I doubt I use Hammer for a long while.  JMO and no one else's.  

Rolled a nice set using LM/L Big Bang and a C300Jinx tonite.  No 800 for me cuz I'm a house hack.  

Nice set Wallshot!!!!
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Re: NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2007, 06:54:41 PM »
Scott, I was able to get Brian Graham from Hammer bowling in Hopkinsville, KY to contact me by e-mail and telephone to make certain all of my No Mercy questions were completely answered before I had her punched out.  It's gonna get her shot tomorrow afternoon at 18.  I'm gonna catch some heat from the house faithful for putting anew pill in action after having such success with another ball the past few sets(see scratch doubles scores).  However, this isn't the first time I've switched balls after putting up some phone numbers.
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Re: NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2007, 06:58:47 PM »
Congratulations, Wallshot, on some great bowling.

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Re: NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2007, 07:04:46 PM »
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The NM continues to amaze me. 828 tonight and 1061 for 4 games in the Masters League (269, 270, 289, 233)


No WALLSHOT, you amaze me! 110 balls and you only need one. Great series!!
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Re: NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2007, 07:09:26 PM »
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The NM continues to amaze me. 828 tonight and 1061 for 4 games in the Masters League (269, 270, 289, 233)


No WALLSHOT, you amaze me! 110 balls and you only need one. Great series!!
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LOL....ain't it the truth!!! I sold off 9 balls in the past couple weeks....only 99 to go (gotta keep the spare ball along with the NM).
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Re: NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2007, 07:10:55 PM »
Wall, btw, great scoring.  Way to go!
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Re: NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2007, 09:46:53 PM »
Sorry Wallshot didn't mean to rain on your parade.  Great rolling!!!

John,

Bring the NM to LRL with the big puddle it should do relatively well.  I'll expect big numbers.  


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Re: NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2007, 05:21:06 AM »
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Too bad Hammer didn't make folks fully realize the potential and it takes a forum like BR to fully realize it.  Manufacturer dropped the ball by letting misaligned balls out of the plant......that's my story and I'm sticking to it.  

I doubt I use Hammer for a long while.  JMO and no one else's.  

Rolled a nice set using LM/L Big Bang and a C300Jinx tonite.  No 800 for me cuz I'm a house hack.  

Nice set Wallshot!!!!
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Scott-   I would like some clarification on your statement, if you would please.   What do you mean by misaligned?    

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Re: NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2007, 12:01:06 PM »
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Scott- I would like some clarification on your statement, if you would please. What do you mean by misaligned?


Jason,

I don't think you were using the forum much around Sept. Oct. when I got an NM.  Here's the deal.  I wound up thru my driller one fo the first series of NM's that came out.  If, I knew then what I know now and if my driller also would have known more I would have refused the ball and he would have sent back to Hammer for replacement.

It was misaligned pin and HART in line with the CG kicked to the left looking at the label at least 1 1/2" maybe more.  I used the #1 pattern...my thinking being it's an oil ball so I am going to use it witha  strong layout as my heavy oil ball.  Pin to PAP 4" next and slighty above ring.  Hart 1" left of my thumb.  CG wound up under my middle finger about an 1 1/2".  Wound up with 7/8 oz. negative.  Ball at many different surfaces was inconsistent.  Then, tried an x hole slightly above my NAP taking it to 1/4 oz. pos.  This helped some but still ball got squirrelly with different surfaces.

Since that time many have said make sure the HART is further down away from the thumb into your track.  NM evidently lowers most players tracks.  

It's a live and learn situation and I was one of the first to drill one after a few others sucesses with the ball.  Knowing what I know now I would have drilled it differently.  But, my main problem with Hammer is that they did not recall or replace ALL of the balls that had that much misalignment.  1/2" no problem but large amounts over an 1" is too much in the manufacturer of this ball.  Plus Hammer at the time is marketing this ball as an easy to drill ball.  I don't see it any less intensive than any ball and probably more for the driller to really get a good reaction.  My ball may have worked well for a lefty not me a righty.

My stats. are in profile and my driller is not a novice one of the best in my area and state.


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Re: NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2007, 06:03:39 AM »
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Scott- I would like some clarification on your statement, if you would please. What do you mean by misaligned?


Jason,

I don't think you were using the forum much around Sept. Oct. when I got an NM.  Here's the deal.  I wound up thru my driller one fo the first series of NM's that came out.  If, I knew then what I know now and if my driller also would have known more I would have refused the ball and he would have sent back to Hammer for replacement.

It was misaligned pin and HART in line with the CG kicked to the left looking at the label at least 1 1/2" maybe more.  I used the #1 pattern...my thinking being it's an oil ball so I am going to use it witha  strong layout as my heavy oil ball.  Pin to PAP 4" next and slighty above ring.  Hart 1" left of my thumb.  CG wound up under my middle finger about an 1 1/2".  Wound up with 7/8 oz. negative.  Ball at many different surfaces was inconsistent.  Then, tried an x hole slightly above my NAP taking it to 1/4 oz. pos.  This helped some but still ball got squirrelly with different surfaces.

Since that time many have said make sure the HART is further down away from the thumb into your track.  NM evidently lowers most players tracks.  

It's a live and learn situation and I was one of the first to drill one after a few others sucesses with the ball.  Knowing what I know now I would have drilled it differently.  But, my main problem with Hammer is that they did not recall or replace ALL of the balls that had that much misalignment.  1/2" no problem but large amounts over an 1" is too much in the manufacturer of this ball.  Plus Hammer at the time is marketing this ball as an easy to drill ball.  I don't see it any less intensive than any ball and probably more for the driller to really get a good reaction.  My ball may have worked well for a lefty not me a righty.

My stats. are in profile and my driller is not a novice one of the best in my area and state.


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First and foremost....Great bowling WALLSHOT.  

Now, Scott.....

I just looked at your profile:  
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I track slightly lower than most more of a 5/8ths roll.


Now from your post:  
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Hart 1" left of my thumb.


Now from the NM drilling instructions:  
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HART Placement: Place HART in the ball track;             ref:   http://hammerbowling.com/tech_info/detail.php?drilling=Drilling%20Instructions%208  
 


Ok, now based on all of these items, I can deduce that the problem with your NM had absolutely nothing to do with the "misaligned" CG, but the fact that your HART was no where near your track.   If you "track lower than most" and you use a "5/8ths roll", there is no way that the HART made it into your track.    

How do I know this?    I drilled one with the HART 1" left of my thumb, and in my track I thought, but it missed the track to the high side, and I have a PAP of 5 1/4"R, 1/8"UP, which is NOT a low track.....you know what?  It rolled bad.  

I drilled another with the HART 2.5" from my thumb and into the 3rd/4th flare ring and the ball is an absolute BEAST!  

So, I hate to rain on your, and your ball driller's, parade but the problem was with the layout and not the ball.    

Also, there is no need for HAMMER to "recall or replace ALL of the balls that had that much misalignment".  

Yes, I agree that the ball would have been easier to layout, and probably better suited for a lefty, but you should have realized that prior to drilling.

**Scott, this is not an attack on you, so please don't take it that way.  There are so many people that have the same "ideas" that you have, but they don't realize that thinking is not the true reasoning behind the ball reaction.  I am just trying to explain that, through using your example.   The NM was designed, IMO, to give driller's an easy way to get a strong asym reaction without all of the MB nonsense.   The driller just must make sure to lay it out right.      



Sorry for the rant, but I have been a member, and recently lurking, for a long time here, and as many of you know I am a DIE HARD HAMMER guy, and I can't stand it when someone believes that Brian Graham, or Hammer, didn't do something they should have.


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Re: NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2007, 11:10:37 AM »
No problem Jason.  As, I said in my post, as a BR member I was probably one of the first to try an NM.  Others learned from my and others mistakes.  mrbowlingnut1 also felt his was a dud.

If, I had waited I am sure I would have liked it better.  Bad experience but I did post my experience....NOT everyone is going to be happy with every ball.  True experiences are what make up this website.

I for one would like to hear real experiences so we ALL can learn.  I don't feel I am here to backslap a manufacturer.  

Sorry to TJ your thread Wallshot.  I'm done.  No Hammer for me after this experience for awhile.  FYI....I believe the Black Widow to be one of the best balls out in 2006.  This isn't a Lane #1 like diatribe....just my experiences.
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Re: NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2007, 11:14:11 AM »
scott, I'll be certain to bring my No Mercy to LRL on Saturday.  maybe I can answer a couple of questions for you and coax you into giving the ball one more chance after I post some phone numbers with her.  See ya' there!
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Re: NM tonight 269, 270, 289
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2007, 11:31:28 AM »
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scott, I'll be certain to bring my No Mercy to LRL on Saturday. maybe I can answer a couple of questions for you and coax you into giving the ball one more chance after I post some phone numbers with her. See ya' there!


I'll see ya there John!  I got rid of the NM...no problem shot some big numbers with your old Radar.  
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