Post by: BowlerKidR on February 04, 2006, 10:13:10 AM
This info was leaked out from Ebonite along with other info, and a Hammer Rep told my boss that the Doom Raw Hammer is actually using the Coverstock that is on The One. The Doom has the GB10.7 coverstock. It was secretly used on the balls and no one was told about it until the information leaked out. Everyone who has bought this ball is lucky.
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on February 04, 2006, 06:15:47 PM
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Post by: Gene J Kanak on February 04, 2006, 06:18:21 PM
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Post by: bgh on February 04, 2006, 06:19:30 PM
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The Bowling Ball Manufacturing Kingdom Scorecard (hint: they are all good)
Brunswick ***** (King)(Budweiser/Anheuser-Busch)[make Elite, Lane#1, MoRich]
Storm ***** (Prince)(Coors)[make Roto Grip, Dyno-Thane, Circle Athletics]
Columbia **** (nobleman)(Miller)[make Track, AMF]
Ebonite *** (jester)(Strohs)[make Hammer]
Visionary (no current rating)(wizard)(microbrew?)
Lanemaster (no current rating)(knight)(more microbrew?)
[Note: The end companies usually spec out their own balls]
Post by: J_Mac on February 04, 2006, 06:24:34 PM
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Post by: chitown on February 04, 2006, 08:10:49 PM
Post by: chitown on February 04, 2006, 08:17:00 PM
Post by: chitown on February 04, 2006, 08:23:57 PM
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I smell BS..
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Keep looking... I'm sure there's a 300 in one of those balls you keep buying!!
Do you think so? I wouldn't put it past these company's. If it's correct then that is cool. I love the Doom and now if thats true I might match up real well with the ONE.
Post by: BowlerKidR on February 04, 2006, 08:43:00 PM
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Chi, I not saying is isnt possible. I'm thinking the the new "juiced" reacitve found on the hawg wild might be the same over.
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Keep looking... I'm sure there's a 300 in one of those balls you keep buying!!
FYI, the new Juiced Reactive is the coverstock on the Road Hawg not Hawg Wild, and what u said makes sence even though u didnt mean for it to. The Road Hawg and The One share the same coverstock, so that means that the Doom, Road Hawg, and One all share coverstocks, only the Doom is a pearlised version i think.
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Post by: chitown on February 04, 2006, 08:57:38 PM
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Chi, I not saying is isnt possible. I'm thinking the the new "juiced" reacitve found on the hawg wild might be the same over.
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Keep looking... I'm sure there's a 300 in one of those balls you keep buying!!
FYI, the new Juiced Reactive is the coverstock on the Road Hawg not Hawg Wild, and what u said makes sence even though u didnt mean for it to. The Road Hawg and The One share the same coverstock, so that means that the Doom, Road Hawg, and One all share coverstocks, only the Doom is a pearlised version i think.
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Are yo telling me that the Road Hawg usues the same cover as the Doom only solid?
Post by: BowlerKidR on February 04, 2006, 08:59:28 PM
THe idea isnt so far fetched. Think about it. The One, Road Hawg, and Doom are all skid/flip ball sin nature. It isnt so far fetched if they were all to share teh came cover.
as for dulling the cover...the road hawg is solid and the doom is pearl. Thats the only difference but i believe that in theory it is the same
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Edited on 2/4/2006 9:47 PM
Post by: chitown on February 04, 2006, 09:01:48 PM
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if my information about the coverstocks on the Doom and One being the same...then yes id be saying that the road hawg uses same cover as Doom.
THe idea isnt so far fetched. Think about it. The One, Road Hawg, and Doom are all skid/flip ball sin nature. It isnt so far fetched if they were all to share teh came cover.
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I'm glad you let me know this info. Now the Road Hawg looks interesting.
Post by: BowlerKidR on February 04, 2006, 09:03:56 PM
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on February 04, 2006, 09:23:38 PM
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Post by: BowlerKidR on February 04, 2006, 09:24:44 PM
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on February 04, 2006, 09:41:36 PM
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Thats where i got my info from
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then its gotta be true.
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Post by: thehurricane on February 04, 2006, 09:44:27 PM
The coverstock is usually the biggest factor in the price of a ball. That's why Activator isn't on any BVP line balls for Brunswick. That's why the Paradigm is so expensive. If GB 10.7 is such a technologically advanced coverstock, it probably wouldn't appear on a ball at $40+ less than one it is already on. Coupled with that and the fact Hammer doesn't use Ebonite coverstocks, I'd say its as possible GB 10.7 being on the Doom as Activator or EOX.
Perhaps the Hammer Rep was saying the One and Doom have the same coverstock based solely on reaction?
Post by: chitown on February 04, 2006, 09:46:52 PM
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The One and the Road Hawg do not have the same coverstock. The question was asked a while ago, and I couldn't find the post, but I think it was Ron Hickland who replied and said they're not the same coverstock. The Juiced coverstock only has an oil absorbtion rate around 6 grams, as opposed to the 10.7 grams of the One's coverstock. He also said even though Ebonite owns Hammer, Hammer and Ebonite develop and produce their own individual coverstocks. That means Hammer hasn't used any Ebonite coverstocks.
The coverstock is usually the biggest factor in the price of a ball. That's why Activator isn't on any BVP line balls for Brunswick. That's why the Paradigm is so expensive. If GB 10.7 is such a technologically advanced coverstock, it probably wouldn't appear on a ball at $40+ less than one it is already on. Coupled with that and the fact Hammer doesn't use Ebonite coverstocks, I'd say its as possible GB 10.7 being on the Doom as Activator or EOX.
Perhaps the Hammer Rep was saying the One and Doom have the same coverstock based solely on reaction?
Do you know this for sure?
Post by: thehurricane on February 04, 2006, 09:55:13 PM
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The One and the Road Hawg do not have the same coverstock. The question was asked a while ago, and I couldn't find the post, but I think it was Ron Hickland who replied and said they're not the same coverstock. The Juiced coverstock only has an oil absorbtion rate around 6 grams, as opposed to the 10.7 grams of the One's coverstock. He also said even though Ebonite owns Hammer, Hammer and Ebonite develop and produce their own individual coverstocks. That means Hammer hasn't used any Ebonite coverstocks.
The coverstock is usually the biggest factor in the price of a ball. That's why Activator isn't on any BVP line balls for Brunswick. That's why the Paradigm is so expensive. If GB 10.7 is such a technologically advanced coverstock, it probably wouldn't appear on a ball at $40+ less than one it is already on. Coupled with that and the fact Hammer doesn't use Ebonite coverstocks, I'd say its as possible GB 10.7 being on the Doom as Activator or EOX.
Perhaps the Hammer Rep was saying the One and Doom have the same coverstock based solely on reaction?
Do you know this for sure?
Found it. At least the post about the Road Hawg and One covers. Straight from the big man:
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=111078&ForumID=5&CategoryID=2
Read Ronald Hickland's post. Can't find the one that says Hammer and Ebonite develop their own coverstocks, but I'm pretty certain about it.
Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 04, 2006, 11:05:33 PM
Post by: chitown on February 05, 2006, 12:35:08 AM
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I was talking about 6 months ago to Ed Gallagher the Ebonite brand manager, he told that each company did its own testing and the coverstocks were strictly used by each company. I got into this conversation because the columbia rumors about m80, so there you have it no is the answer to your question. I am sure Ron will be on probably monday to put this fire out for you, or the hammer DSM that Jason is a friend of.
I hope so because I would like to know. I do know that AMF and Columbia have used the same identical covers on there balls. They even used the same names.
Post by: azguy on February 05, 2006, 06:17:29 AM
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Post by: TOON on February 05, 2006, 09:24:07 PM
I realize the 2 or 3 balls in question are different colors, but that's just a dye.
Just my 2 cents worth.....
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Post by: tburky on February 05, 2006, 09:59:13 PM
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The Doom is pearlized and The One is solid. So, we're talking a pearlized version of GB 10.7? That's strange. I owned both balls at the same time and they didn't really react very much alike. If your info is correct, I guess it goes to show how much difference cores make.
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My doom is not pearlized...box says solid
Post by: anotherwindup on February 06, 2006, 05:50:02 AM
I have stated that many times before, but this seems to come up every couple of months.
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Post by: anotherwindup on February 06, 2006, 02:47:43 PM
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To help clear up some confusion
The coverstocks on The ONE,Doom, and Road Hawg are all different. We actually have different people that work on the coverstocks for each brand at the plant. This helps to keep the brands separate. The Road Hawg coverstock is very different than The One coverstock. The One coverstock is more angular than the Road Hawg. The Road Hawg coverstock can handle more oil down the lane than The One. Both balls offer great high end performance. The Doom coverstock is much weaker in oil than both The One and Road Hawg. In fact the Doom coverstock is not aggressive enough in oil to be considered a high end coverstock. That is why we use it on our mid price products. However on fresh conditions with clean backend the Doom is a great performer.
Hope this helps
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Ronald Hickland
Ball Design Engineer
Ebonite/Hammer
Ron- Thanks for the clarification, and some insight to the Ebonite and Hammer products. Thanks.
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Jason Jenkins
'05-'06 Hammer Amateur Staff
"Nothing HITS like a Hammer"
Post by: chitown on February 06, 2006, 03:43:28 PM