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dballz

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? on NM Beatn
« on: August 27, 2008, 01:10:21 AM »
do you think a NM Beatn would be good for a bowler who has more than average speed, and is more of a stroker?
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Nicanor

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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2008, 09:06:28 AM »
dballz,you have a Beat'n?  Did you throw it?  If so, what was your thoughts?

My ball speed is 18 mph and I get in trouble with longer oil.  Add fast speed and a stroker, he can almost use any ball to average 170-190.


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mmcfarland300

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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2008, 09:07:28 AM »
Nicanor,

I'm not trying to start anything but the NM, and the Beat'n are the only 2 Hammer balls in the last 2 years I would buy.  I have never owned a Hammer so I think I am able to say I am unbiased in this opinion.  The No Mercy and the Beat'n were both good medium to medium heavy oil balls.  If your driller knows what there doing and does the necessary work to research the drilling with the Heart in track.  In my area the NM and Beat'n were just as popular as the BW.

Furthermore there is a reason why you don't see them on the racks and thats because they are discontinued the other balls you mentioned are still in production.
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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2008, 09:08:14 AM »
I've got one...undrilled....saw a nice straighty with one the other day who on our oily wood house was having a nice day with it!

I can see nothing the matter with the ball, in person, on videoballreviews and on youtube by Buddies(of course that Chris throws it SO good!)!

I have seen personally all the balls discussed by Nicanor and this ball is slightly different (lots of backend motion for a solid).  I am a fan of the Troad solid and the Cell and see them as slightly different.

The Cell.....very smooth and even and continuous, the Troad solid straighter in the heads but a consistent strong backend, and the beatN lots of midlane ANd a pretty sharp backend a lot like the Troad solid but I believe one would play deeper with the Beatn.

If the comment is regarding user friendly I sort of get what Barry is saying.
However if the shot is fairly wet and the bowler is a straighty I believe it could be a wonderful matchup.

All great balls with slightly different approaches to the lane!

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Luckylefty
PS Dimension have only seen on Video ball reviews....so less of an informed opinion.
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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2008, 09:13:41 AM »
i loved mine but it lost its reaction very quickly
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Nicanor

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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2008, 09:24:28 AM »
Its amazing that Hammer is very popular here in San Diego, mostly the BW series. Storm and Brunswick very popular also, but Hammer had a great run here in San Diego. The Blue Vibe is another great ball to consider and the Cherry Vibe is a great ball but the Blue is more consistant and is more versatile imo.

There are so many bowlers with the different combinations of speed and release its hard for the average bowler to know what ball will work for what person.  When we make a suggestion to bowlers concerning bowling balls we all have our opinions what works and what might not.

If a bowler isn't a member of the ball of the month club, then we should recommend a ball that is versatile, consistant and user friendly.  In my opinion, the Beat'n is not the best ball for the consideration for this bowler and again, I have thrown this ball and it is just an opinion, I know everone has one.

I'm not bashing Hammer here and I respect everyone's opinion. So this thread to me is conversation, not being arguementative.


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dballz

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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2008, 09:31:12 AM »
Nicanor, i didn't mind the ball, but the houses in my area are not the slickest in the world, nor the longest. lately i have been throwing a bite and a doom.

i didn't have much use for the beatn after i drilled it. so i am not saying it is a bad ball by any means, just not useful enough for me around home. if i bowled more tourneys outside of the area, i would probaby need it. but right now i don't, so i might as well give it to someone who might be able to use it more.

i do work in a pro shop as well(and still learning), but i like to hear different opinions from others. i don't claim to know everything, so i am always trying to learn as much as i can.

i will try to get my friends pap and other info on here tomorrow, and we can discuss some more possibilites for him. thanks guys!!
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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2008, 09:35:31 AM »
Nicanor,

Do you think the vibe line would work for someone with his stats of high speed and lower revs?
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Nicanor

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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2008, 10:07:53 AM »
mmcfarland300,

I still think the Bite is a better choice but if its not long oil, I think the Blue Vibe is an outstanding ball and very versatile.  If the backends are strong or there is shorter oil, the Cherry Vibe might work, but rather get a Cherry Vibe with his ball speed, he could easily adjust the cover of the Blue Vibe.  I haven't thown the Emerald Vibe.




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mmcfarland300

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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2008, 10:13:22 AM »
Interesting take I gues I have never looked at the vibe for a stroker.  I was thinking more Raw Anger in the Hammer line.  The vibe could work if dulled a little.
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dballz

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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2008, 10:13:55 AM »
the backends are not too bad. never considered the blue vibe, but that isn't a bad choice either.

i will present him with the 3 choices:
Bite
Beatn
Blue Vibe

and see what he says. it is his money after all.

what is great about this guy, is that he really has an open mind and wants to learn the game. so making suggestions such as where to stand, and surface adjustments will not be a problem for him.
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Nicanor

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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2008, 10:30:11 AM »
I have two Angers and they were very rolly for me.  I still have the Beat'ns also.  Maybe one day I'll take them to practice.  Both the Beat'n and the Angers lost their angularity or the ability to read the lane very quickly.




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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2008, 10:53:00 AM »
Wouldn't rolly be good for a stroker versus angular.
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Nicanor

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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2008, 02:13:43 PM »
Thats a good question mmcfarland300.  If I were a stroker and threw a rolly ball, I would leave a lot of corner pins (10 pins). If I had a ball that was angular, maybe not hockey stick angular, but strong off the break point, then I would think that would help the stroker kick out 10 pins and give the stroker a little more area.

Hopefully we can get some more discussion on this.


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dballz

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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2008, 02:44:56 PM »
so maybe we don't go with the 45*?
maybe a BW Bite and do a 4", 60*, 1k? polish or not?
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LuckyLefty

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Re: ? on NM Beatn
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2008, 02:56:15 PM »
Well that was how it worked for my stroker friend!  Lots of angularity for a solid allowed him to carry when he is forced inside(where he used to have trouble).  Also patterns like US open and stuff where forced inside.

It's solid smooth angularity gave him a nice look and carry.

Of course on the complete no mercy series words like 45 degree and 60 degree are not applied.  Instead one thinks of the mass bias in the track...ie 135 or mass bias an inch off the track ie 105 degrees etc.

My stroker friend....went with a pin down drilling #1 ....ie 135 degrees (mb in track).

Beautiful!

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Luckylefty
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