Post by: mmcfarland300 on June 16, 2009, 01:17:16 AM
This is being thrown around on the Hammer Boards. On the verticle add that cycles through there is a picture that shows the riddler with a puzzle piece saying "all will be revealed" on June 16 or something of that nature. Hammer Jigsaw maybe, could the rumors be true......
Post by: storm making it rain on June 16, 2009, 11:17:36 AM
have a high-performance release called Jigsaw. This ball starts off a new high-performance price
point series for Hammer, and brings our brand to a new level of performance on the lanes.
Jigsaw starts out with a brand new core for Hammer. We started building Jigsaw with a low rg,
high differential core system. But we didn’t stop there. Our R&D team removed a critical piece
of the puzzle from the core, and created an extremely high mass-bias wedge in the core shape.
The result is the highest mass-bias ball in the history of Hammer! High mass-bias core shapes
give the bowler more backend reaction and continuation without loss of energy, and the Jigsaw
certainly delivers that!
We’ve also developed a new coverstock for our Jigsaw release. Our new Gription Reactive 5/4
Coverstock is unique in two ways. First, this coverstock is a breakthrough for us in length and
backend combination. Our mad scientists have developed this coverstock to push through the
front of the lane cleaner than any sanded ball in our line. But the midlane and backend is where
this coverstock pairs up with the core system, and takes control. Jigsaw rolls heavy through the
midlane and doesn’t stop in the backend. This is truly a unique ball reaction that we simply have
not seen before. The Jigsaw comes in a never-used, Black and White color with Orange logos.
There’s no doubt that bowlers will know exactly what ball is being thrown when they see this
high-performance product going down the lane.
Finally, our new coverstock finishing process has been applied to the Jigsaw to create a unique
ball motion. Our new 500/4000 process gives the Gription Reactive 5/4 coverstock the ability to
skid through the front part of the lane without early hook. But the 500 grit under-surface gives
Jigsaw’s Gription Reactive 5/4 coverstock the teeth to cut through the downlane oil, giving this
ball the most backend reaction in the history of Hammer products! Jigsaw is a new breakthrough
for Hammer in bowling ball motion.
Worldwide Product Release Date:
• July 14, 2009 – Jigsaw
Jigsaw
Available Weights: 12-16#
Coverstock: Gription Reactive 5/4
Factory Finish: 500/4000 Abralon Sanded
Color: Black/White
Core: Jigsaw High Mass-Bias Core
RG: 16# - 2.49 15# - 2.48 14# - 2.51 13# - 2.53 12# - 2.60
Differential: 16# - .048 15# - .051 14# - .055 13# - .055 12# - .039
Mass Bias: 16# - .018 15# - .020 14# - .022
Flare Potential: High
Performance: Good Length with High-Friction Backend Movement
Best Lane Condition: Medium-Heavy to Heavy Oil Lane Conditions
Post by: themagician on June 16, 2009, 11:20:51 AM
Also yet again, another company admits that they finish their stuff 500 abralon then 4000 abralon, storm got jumped on for saying so but in reality almost all the companies have been doing it that way but haven't widely publicized that information.
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Post by: tizzle on June 16, 2009, 11:35:06 AM
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag...some magic, some hot sauce, a rogue cell,a liberator, and a saw.. how can I loose....
....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)
Post by: tizzle on June 16, 2009, 11:58:03 AM
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag...some magic, some hot sauce, a rogue cell,a liberator, and a saw.. how can I loose....
....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)
Post by: raiderh20boy on June 16, 2009, 11:58:24 AM
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Use "IT" and BOWL UP A STORM!!
Post by: mmcfarland300 on June 16, 2009, 12:00:42 PM
Post by: storm making it rain on June 16, 2009, 12:06:45 PM
Post by: VideoBallReviews on June 16, 2009, 12:09:50 PM
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Sounds like hammer is trying to create a Virtual Gravity...core numbers are nearly identical. Description is exactly what a VG does.
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Multi Media Consultant
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www.rotogrip.com (http://"http://www.rotogrip.com")
Just a hint, employees of one company should never, ever bad mouth another company's products (or hint that they're stealing another company's idea). You run the risk of 1) incurring the rath of your current employer, and/or 2) limiting your job prospects in the industry when you and your current employer part ways.
I'm just telling it as i see it...no accusations, no bad blood...could you blame them for trying...i mean seriously, when the black widow came out, guess what every company tried to make reaction wise? Happens all the time...ill go back into my hole now as mmcfarland asked...
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Multi Media Consultant
Storm Products, Inc.
www.stormbowling.com (http://"http://www.stormbowling.com")
www.rotogrip.com (http://"http://www.rotogrip.com")
Post by: VideoBallReviews on June 16, 2009, 12:15:43 PM
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Multi Media Consultant
Storm Products, Inc.
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www.rotogrip.com (http://"http://www.rotogrip.com")
Post by: leftyinsnellville on June 16, 2009, 12:20:14 PM
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Since i can see this turning another arguement on this site, i will delete my original post...if someone else feels the need to bring it up, be my guest
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Multi Media Consultant
Storm Products, Inc.
www.stormbowling.com (http://"http://www.stormbowling.com")
www.rotogrip.com (http://"http://www.rotogrip.com")
Bring what up?
Post by: Adrenaline on June 16, 2009, 12:41:20 PM
http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c4171/18582.jpg
http://www.bowlingball.com/Product/7243/hammer-jigsaw.html
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Virtual Gravity 234
Twisted Fury 268
Black Widow Solid
The Sauce 255
Rogue Cell
WTB: Mega Friction
FS/FT: Kinetic Energy
FS/FT: Angle Evolution Tour 266
Post by: pegleg42090 on June 16, 2009, 12:45:54 PM
Post by: Joe Jr on June 16, 2009, 12:50:08 PM
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Just another hack with too much equipment.
Post by: tizzle on June 16, 2009, 01:21:08 PM
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag...some magic, some hot sauce, a rogue cell,a liberator, and a saw.. how can I loose....
....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)
Post by: BiGtYmEr300 on June 16, 2009, 01:37:09 PM
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Current Bag:
Roto Grip Cell
Storm Virtual Gravity
Storm Hy-Road
Ebonite Gamebreaker
Ebonite Playmaker
Hammer Black Widow Solid
Hammer Cherry Vibe
Hammer Rayzr
Edited on 6/16/2009 1:37 PM
Post by: Slumpbuster on June 16, 2009, 02:50:59 PM
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Come AMF/900 or don't come at all!!
Post by: mmcfarland300 on June 16, 2009, 02:54:07 PM
Post by: J_Mac on June 16, 2009, 02:59:17 PM
quote:
Bounty Hunter does not have any black in it.
Define "black"?
Post by: mmcfarland300 on June 16, 2009, 03:08:55 PM
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Bounty Hunter does not have any black in it.
Define "black"?
Looked Navy Blue to me in the Videos I have seen but Eric listed it as Black and Cream.
Post by: J_Mac on June 16, 2009, 03:14:07 PM
Post by: kcbruns300 on June 16, 2009, 04:17:45 PM
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Post by: SleepOnIce on June 16, 2009, 04:43:00 PM
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Sounds like hammer is trying to create a Virtual Gravity...core numbers are nearly identical. Description is exactly what a VG does.
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Britton
Owner/Operator of Videoballreviews.com (http://"http://www.videoballreviews.com")
Multi Media Consultant
Storm Products, Inc.
www.stormbowling.com (http://"http://www.stormbowling.com")
www.rotogrip.com (http://"http://www.rotogrip.com")
Just a hint, employees of one company should never, ever bad mouth another company's products (or hint that they're stealing another company's idea). You run the risk of 1) incurring the rath of your current employer, and/or 2) limiting your job prospects in the industry when you and your current employer part ways.
I'm just telling it as i see it...no accusations, no bad blood...could you blame them for trying...i mean seriously, when the black widow came out, guess what every company tried to make reaction wise? Happens all the time...ill go back into my hole now as mmcfarland asked...
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Britton
Owner/Operator of Videoballreviews.com (http://"http://www.videoballreviews.com")
Multi Media Consultant
Storm Products, Inc.
www.stormbowling.com (http://"http://www.stormbowling.com")
www.rotogrip.com (http://"http://www.rotogrip.com")
I agree, it's a just a good observation. If anyone but someone affiliated with Storm would have said it, it would have been agreed with. I'm a ball whore, so I'm pretty sure I'm going to pick this up, even if it's similar to the VG which I would never see enough oil to use.
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Rob Stone Supporters of America!
Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on June 16, 2009, 07:03:32 PM
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Britton
Owner/Operator of Videoballreviews.com
Multi Media Consultant
Storm Products, Inc.
www.stormbowling.com
www.rotogrip.com"
No argument from me! Before Storm/RotoGrip had finished dominating the first half of the PBA season everyone was working on WTH are they doing right? As to the 500/4000 post by another - hey, everyone has to get the ball round and smoother quickly so they initially use a rough grit. The only question after that is do you leave any rough under the smooth or not during the final finish - DUH!
Post by: DanR on June 16, 2009, 07:21:33 PM
Have you ever bowled a PBA event this past season? Do you understand PBA took out almost all the volume on all patterns?
It maybe best you stick to your site and work on having the balls perform different. Every video you post look the same, ball hook from everywhere. If you own a pro shop it maybe not a good decision to latch on one manufacture because once they go down hill you'll be stuck in your hole
Please do go back into your hole.
Post by: VideoBallReviews on June 16, 2009, 08:22:20 PM
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Britton
Have you ever bowled a PBA event this past season? Do you understand PBA took out almost all the volume on all patterns?
It maybe best you stick to your site and work on having the balls perform different. Every video you post look the same, ball hook from everywhere. If you own a pro shop it maybe not a good decision to latch on one manufacture because once they go down hill you'll be stuck in your hole
Please do go back into your hole.
Dan what the heck are you talking about, when did i say anything about PBA Patterns?
And we wonder why this site is going downhill...im not gonna get in a pissing match with anyone over something as rediculious as this, because thats obviously what you are looking for...back to my website i go! ill make sure i let you know when my next video is posted, you must be watching all my videos if you say all the balls look the same
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Owner/Operator of Videoballreviews.com (http://"http://www.videoballreviews.com")
Multi Media Consultant
Storm Products, Inc.
www.stormbowling.com (http://"http://www.stormbowling.com")
www.rotogrip.com (http://"http://www.rotogrip.com")
Edited on 6/16/2009 8:43 PM
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on June 16, 2009, 11:59:35 PM
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Britton
Have you ever bowled a PBA event this past season? Do you understand PBA took out almost all the volume on all patterns?
It maybe best you stick to your site and work on having the balls perform different. Every video you post look the same, ball hook from everywhere. If you own a pro shop it maybe not a good decision to latch on one manufacture because once they go down hill you'll be stuck in your hole
Please do go back into your hole.
You need to shut your hole!
All Britton did was point out the coverstock finish is the same as the Virtual and the rogue cell!
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Post by: Joe Jr on June 17, 2009, 12:06:09 AM
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Britton
Have you ever bowled a PBA event this past season? Do you understand PBA took out almost all the volume on all patterns?
It maybe best you stick to your site and work on having the balls perform different. Every video you post look the same, ball hook from everywhere. If you own a pro shop it maybe not a good decision to latch on one manufacture because once they go down hill you'll be stuck in your hole
Please do go back into your hole.
You need to shut your hole!
All Britton did was point out the coverstock finish is the same as the Virtual and the rogue cell!
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Are you suffering from "ball death"? PM me, I'll paypal you the shipping costs to take it off your hands.
Agreed, that stupid little outburst was completely unnecessary.
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Just another hack with too much equipment.
Post by: mmcfarland300 on June 17, 2009, 08:50:37 AM
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Britton
Have you ever bowled a PBA event this past season? Do you understand PBA took out almost all the volume on all patterns?
It maybe best you stick to your site and work on having the balls perform different. Every video you post look the same, ball hook from everywhere. If you own a pro shop it maybe not a good decision to latch on one manufacture because once they go down hill you'll be stuck in your hole
Please do go back into your hole.
DanR,
Go away, far far away. It is people like you that are ruining this sight. Why did you find it necessary to come out of left field and flame someone for an observation?
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on June 17, 2009, 09:32:17 AM
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Post by: DanR on June 17, 2009, 10:36:53 AM
Post by: Slumpbuster on June 17, 2009, 12:16:12 PM
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Britton
Have you ever bowled a PBA event this past season? Do you understand PBA took out almost all the volume on all patterns?
It maybe best you stick to your site and work on having the balls perform different. Every video you post look the same, ball hook from everywhere. If you own a pro shop it maybe not a good decision to latch on one manufacture because once they go down hill you'll be stuck in your hole
Please do go back into your hole.
+1
sells out then starts bashing every company. I guess when storm sees what a waste of money it was on him, he's goin to be stuck having to buy bowling balls like the rest of us by burning so many bridges. You want to see a video look different, look at him throw the natural, shows how terrible he throws it when he cant get it to wrinkle on a ths.
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Post by: Chief BK on June 17, 2009, 12:36:22 PM
Britton got that deal because Storm/Roto recognized his talents and they can be used to influence sales. This man had offers from MULTIPLE COMPANIES. Apparently what he was doing was pretty good.
As for beating down other companies...sorry...I've yet to see it. Britt makes an observation and gets hammered by his jealous critics.
Keep doing what you do and congrats on the Storm/Roto deal.
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Post by: cbae on June 17, 2009, 12:47:22 PM
Post by: mmcfarland300 on June 17, 2009, 12:47:32 PM
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Britton
Have you ever bowled a PBA event this past season? Do you understand PBA took out almost all the volume on all patterns?
It maybe best you stick to your site and work on having the balls perform different. Every video you post look the same, ball hook from everywhere. If you own a pro shop it maybe not a good decision to latch on one manufacture because once they go down hill you'll be stuck in your hole
Please do go back into your hole.
+1
sells out then starts bashing every company. I guess when storm sees what a waste of money it was on him, he's goin to be stuck having to buy bowling balls like the rest of us by burning so many bridges. You want to see a video look different, look at him throw the natural, shows how terrible he throws it when he cant get it to wrinkle on a ths.
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Come AMF/900 or don't come at all!!
How has he sold out and what bridges have been burnt? Get a clue and go back under the rock you climbed out from under.
Post by: SleepOnIce on June 17, 2009, 05:14:27 PM
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Why does everyone ask about moderators? IMO, if we respond in kind and try to help each other out with useful information, then we would all benefit!
No moderators needed if we try and help our fellow bowlers instead of insulting them.
We do for the most part share a common love for the sport, but it's hard to see that thru all the verbal haze.
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wat?
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Post by: cheech on June 17, 2009, 05:31:35 PM
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You want to see a video look different, look at him throw the natural, shows how terrible he throws it when he cant get it to wrinkle on a ths.
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Come AMF/900 or don't come at all!!
so he is terrible cuz he cant wheel the lane with URETHANE? you are very dumb. not everyone has 5000 RPMs and hooks the whole lane. get a life troll
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Post by: Slumpbuster on June 17, 2009, 06:45:19 PM
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Come AMF/900 or don't come at all!!
Post by: Slumpbuster on June 17, 2009, 06:46:07 PM
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Post by: Chief BK on June 18, 2009, 08:03:31 AM
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Just like everyone tried to make the black widow, the inferno, the one, the danger zone, etc. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT, not need some "staffer" comming telling me somthing i already know, clearly somthing to bash said company.Quote
Ahem....WRONG! Yes, everyone in the industry tries to keep up with the competition. Does everyone know that? Not even close. Take a look around this forum. Not everyone here is as knowledgable as you.
If I were green and came to this site looking to learn, statements like this would make me feel belittled and would also give me bad impressions about staffers. I mean "staffers".
For the benefit of others, especially those less knowlegable than yourself and those new to the site, please think before you post. We're really trying to grow the site and the sport, not push people away.
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GM of Blue Ball Lanes - Blue Ball, PA
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