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Title: Backlash Videos
Post by: Joe Jr on May 08, 2010, 10:23:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr5z3m9rLyI

Hammer sure stepped up their game with this video.
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: northface28 on May 08, 2010, 06:24:35 PM
Beat me to the punch, this is the best video I have ever seen.
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: nocarey on May 08, 2010, 07:38:21 PM
was that filmed in Hopkinsville, KY?
Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: jkiser01 on May 08, 2010, 07:47:11 PM
That lady throws the ball pretty well but doesn't know much about properly fitted shirts to bowl in!! Showing all that skin was just not necessary!! LOL


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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: bigz on May 08, 2010, 07:48:19 PM
the thing that i didn't like..there were no layouts of the balls used.
otherwise a great video..
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: BiGtYmEr300 on May 08, 2010, 09:02:03 PM
Other than the ridiculously false rev rates, this video was very well shot. I think that the next one should show the layouts of the bowling balls along with each bowlers'' specs. Also, they should use some sort of sport condition. Well done though! Keep em coming!!
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: left-hook on May 09, 2010, 09:38:19 AM
by FARRRR the best ever made! they have lefties (which im) n righties and MOST importantly thetve cranker strokers n tweeners!!!! not everone is a creanker and ALLLL the videos made r of crankers! that is the worst thing about buddies pro shop videos,theyre all crankers.....
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: left-hook on May 09, 2010, 09:58:38 AM
jeremy hunt, im a lefty and have almost every hammer since the BW series and love them all. on ur layouts where is the pin on all of them in this video? i like pin above ring finger n 2" above fingers in the middle. i throw similar to u. whats ur fav pin location? the corner is my baby ive two i loveee it so much,it works on everything!!!! cant wait to c what the next jigsaw is?
how can i get the hammer shirt Bill O'Neill wears on sundays w the BIG hammer across the shirt?
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: northface28 on May 09, 2010, 10:59:17 AM
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Other than the ridiculously false rev rates, this video was very well shot. I think that the next one should show the layouts of the bowling balls along with each bowlers'' specs. Also, they should use some sort of sport condition. Well done though! Keep em coming!!
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Edited on 5/8/2010 9:03 PM



Whose revrates were false?
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: Spartan on May 09, 2010, 12:28:44 PM
I need me some red pants.
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: Strider on May 09, 2010, 12:36:33 PM
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Whose revrates were false?
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All of them except the woman in my opinion.  My guess is that the first two guys are 325-350 (not 450/435), the third guy is around 450, not 595, and the last guy is around 400, not 587.
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: APheLion on May 09, 2010, 01:54:45 PM
they call bowlers with 450 rpm a stroker...
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on May 09, 2010, 02:22:17 PM
Almost all these bowlers have really fast wrists - not what we would call strokers here in the SW US.
Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: Zack Pelton300 on May 09, 2010, 02:45:02 PM
wow they used that brian horn guy. God he sucks lol jk Horn.
Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: kidlost2000 on May 09, 2010, 03:28:02 PM
Hammer Amateur staffer here already shot 844 with his. The darker one I believe.
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: nocarey on May 09, 2010, 03:50:46 PM
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was that filmed in Hopkinsville, KY?
Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: Zack Pelton300 on May 09, 2010, 08:57:03 PM
yes
Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: urbanshaft on May 09, 2010, 09:02:47 PM
only a chick can have low revs
it seems from the vid
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: DP3 on May 09, 2010, 09:38:25 PM
It's hilarious people with NO TYPE OF SOFTWARE to track such stats such as speed and revrate are questioning the guys at a center with THE MOST technologically advanced software and tracking tools.  What would they have to gain by saying someone had a revrate around 290 and it was really 375.  They're not selling you someone's revrate, they're selling the ball.  

If they wanted to really sell you the ball as "something sick" they'd throw all the shots on a light volume high friction walled up THS from left of 18 out to the ditch and back in every video.  Opps, that's a buddies/videoballreviews video.  But no one says anything about those videos skewing reality.
Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: The Stroke on May 09, 2010, 09:46:20 PM
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Agree completely. It's horrible that Ebonite/Hammer thinks league bowlers won't notice....shows what they think of our knowledge.

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Whose revrates were false?
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All of them except the woman in my opinion.  My guess is that the first two guys are 325-350 (not 450/435), the third guy is around 450, not 595, and the last guy is around 400, not 587.
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: Strider on May 09, 2010, 09:57:02 PM
I've had my rev rate measured twice.  Once with CATS at Kegels and once with national coach Ron Clifton's software (don't remember what it is).  I know what my release looks like and what my ball looks like off my hand.  My normal release is right at 300 and neither of the first two guys hit it much harder than I do.  Ron's "crash test dummy" Andy is 400-450, so that's another number I see every week.  Obviously I'm guessing, but I still think something is wrong with the numbers they give.  They obviously don't have anything to gain by lying, but I just don't see Jeremy's rev rate to be in the same category as Robert Smith's.  The balls look good in all of their hands and it's a good video, but I'm still not a believer in their rev rate numbers.

There have been some TV matches (both men and women) where they gave some really bad numbers as well should I believe them also?  I'm trying to remember specifics, but not having much luck.  Didn't they give Carolyn Dorin Ballard's as 350?  One of the early telecasts at the WSOB they had a few guys with drastically different rates, but they told us they were very close.
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: yo on May 10, 2010, 03:08:06 AM
wasn''t the point of this topic supposed to be about the ball...?
not to be a d*ck or anything to anyone but really now. its just like the people saying "oh my ball is dead". you sure its not the bowler? operator error sure does play a big role in this game... who cares if this guy has a higher rev rate than you? you''re the one throwing the ball and can carry just as well (well i would hope), so whats the big deal!? i believe only 2-3 replies to this topic were about the ball...

just keepin it real..

Edited on 5/10/2010 3:11 AM
Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: northface28 on May 10, 2010, 07:27:16 PM
Revrates are legit in my eyes, Hunt and Flunder absolutely rip the logos off the ball. I have seen both in person and they are every bit of 550+ rpms.
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: left-hook on May 11, 2010, 06:25:43 AM
its great to have a video with sooo many different types of releases to get a better idea about the ball! great job hammer!
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: Gunny on May 11, 2010, 07:51:11 AM
A very good informative vid.  Jeremy, curious as to what type of layout Flunder had on his balls.
Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: Jeff Ussery on May 11, 2010, 08:08:51 AM
Hi everyone,

Thanks for the feedback on the videos.  We tried really hard to give everyone a lot of different players, styles, and ball motions to look at.  Do you have a suggestion for us?  If so, feel free to send them over to jussery@hammerbowling.com.  Thanks!
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: ramimac on May 11, 2010, 05:05:39 PM
Wha was he oil pattern bowled on.  i may have missed it.  I really have a hard time getting a ball not to over hook on short dry pattern..  everyone talks me out of buying a urethane.  I am hopping one of these will fit the bill.


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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: nocarey on May 11, 2010, 05:22:08 PM
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Revrates are legit in my eyes, Hunt and Flunder absolutely rip the logos off the ball. I have seen both in person and they are every bit of 550+ rpms.
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I've crossed with Jeremy at a PBA Midwest Regional and can say he most definitely revs it up.
Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: RealBowler on May 12, 2010, 10:39:05 AM
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Wha was he oil pattern bowled on.  i may have missed it.  I really have a hard time getting a ball not to over hook on short dry pattern..  everyone talks me out of buying a urethane.  I am hopping one of these will fit the bill.


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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: jbuzz31 on May 12, 2010, 10:45:23 AM
Really liked the variety of different players. Wish i could have seen the layouts thought.

And a 450rpm Stroker? hahahahahahahahah. Yeah okay. Last time i checked anything over 375 is a cranker.
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: jodyk24 on May 12, 2010, 03:34:08 PM


I liked the video and it obvious that Hammer is trying some new things. I liked the color line tracking with different balls used and different bowlers. You can get a good idea of what path the ball will take to the break point with the different releases from different bowlers. The monologue while they were bowling gave the video a nice touch. I have watched Jeremy Hunt bowl several times and trust me, his rev rate and ball speed is up there. I think the videos and TV shows seem to slow down things a bit compared to watching it live. Jeremy will not be on this board for a couple days. For those that really want the layouts of the balls, I am sure Jeremy will discuss them with you.

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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: Jeff Ussery on May 12, 2010, 04:08:13 PM
The lane pattern here was actually Kegel's High Street Pattern on a Pro Anvilane surface.
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: OddBalls on May 12, 2010, 04:19:23 PM
And the lane conditions were...???
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: themagician on May 12, 2010, 04:19:54 PM
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And the lane conditions were...???
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: OddBalls on May 12, 2010, 04:23:01 PM
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And the lane conditions were...???
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See post right above yours, Jeff answered that question already.
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: DynoLess Daddy on May 12, 2010, 08:28:57 PM
You have to remember what the ball is being tested and what it is being tested on. If you are testing a dry lane ball...you wouldn't put it on a flood and then try to explain why it was so straight....

High Street - Kegel - 44ft. recreation pattern thus the test on dryer easier pattern.
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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: Gunny on May 14, 2010, 11:03:18 AM
so compared to what ball, how much weaker or stronger is it?

Cherry Vibe
Emerald Vibe
Onyx Vibe

Just curious, I know the vid was shot on the kegel pattern, but how much different would the reaction be on a ths.  Is the Backlash line replacing the Vibe line?  just curious....

on a 39ft ths on brunswick anvilane, makes me wonder that the Backlash would do.  I''m thinking these guys would be way left, pitching right....thoughts?

Edited on 5/14/2010 11:05 AM
Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: EboHammer on May 27, 2010, 12:56:11 AM
Ok, so I ordered a red/purple backlash.  Wanted it to be weaker than my burn, but I liked the overall shape of the burn so I drilled the two balls with the same layout.  To my surprise the backlash is stronger than the burn....
Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: ccrider on May 27, 2010, 12:35:12 PM
I saw the same thing. However, the Red and Black movement is on the backend for me.

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Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: Gunny on May 27, 2010, 01:02:31 PM
yeppers.  ball is way stronger than advertised.  drilled mine 5.5" from pap and it was still stronger and more angular than my burn.  traded both of them away.
Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: olie2832 on May 27, 2010, 06:03:12 PM
^ really? Dang i wanted a weaker ball but if its stronger then a burn then its not weaker.....

Anyone know if the midnight vibe is stronger or weaker?
Title: Re: Backlash Videos
Post by: ramimac on May 27, 2010, 06:41:44 PM
I have both the cherry Vibe and the red backlash

Backlash  Pin above middle finger

Cherry  Pin below ring

My cherry vibe is earlier and diffinately stronger than by backlash.

I am able to play a part of a dry lane that I was previously not able to.

I have noticed my Backlash cleares the heads even when dry, and does not over react or react early.

My rev rate is in the 450-500 range.  my pap is 5 x 0
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