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Centers

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Big Blue Particle...
« on: June 29, 2008, 10:39:52 PM »
Knowing that this ball is particle, what will this ball give compared to the BW's? Because of this ball being paricle, will it actually be better on heavy oil?

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Re: Big Blue Particle...
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2008, 07:27:52 AM »
particle doesn't automaticly mean heavy oil

particle just means more friction on the oil but there are numerous examples for  particles that are more for med lanes and not so succesfull on heavy

From my experience particles roll smoother than the pure version in case of pearls and stronger and earlier in case of solids
Thge particels are meant to smooth out the dry/wet on lanes and create more friction making the high load particle balls (compared to tires with spikes) the best choice for floods imho

But particles have a bad image I think (personal impression cause I love particle balls...) as they soak up oil faster (so it is told) and the coverstock dies faster... meaning the surface is worn down faster than on pure solids/pearls as particles break... but todays modern materials are more sophgistaced and imho last long... longer than some people even own a ball


If you mean the "Big Blue" this ball was rated to work best on oil with a hook rating of total 52 with lenght 9 and backend 13 (compareable to other solid particles like the Carbide+ etc.)
the "Big Blue Pearl" (also particle) is not meant for oil at all and better rated for medium with a totalhook of 46 and lenght 13 backend 14

those numbers are BTM numbers you can find in the unofficial FAQs (link in my sig)

But in general Solid Particles is good for oil.
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Re: Big Blue Particle...
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2008, 07:45:53 AM »
The Big Blues use basically the same strong mass bias "gas mask" core as the Black Widows or the Real Deal before - with one big difference: they have a low differential. Therefore you cannot compare the reaction you'd get out of them with a BW, you'd be disappointed because they are much smoother and without a dramatic flip.

Neverthless, esp. the original Big Blue is a "typical" particle ball through this core - you can drill it strong, and it will not over-flare. It shows an even, arcing move throughout the lane, thanks to its low RG/low diff core and the matte particle surface.
It IS an oil ball, but it is not the ball for a huge and late hook, rather a continouus arc. I think the ball got a negative rep because it did not hook in the expected way ("go long, tun left") - but no oil ball will do this.
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Re: Big Blue Particle...
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2008, 07:58:49 AM »
So gathering the information between Grayson and dizzy, this ball will still be as strong, but more predictable on oil than the BW will.  It will not be as skid/flippy as the BW's but will be strong rolling in other words.  This might be something for me to look into as it does fill a void in my arsenal.  I like control with hook, just not a big fan of skid/flips when it comes to say a Nationals shot (you can look up my scores and rag all you want ).  I love my BW, but on some shots, it doesnt cut for me.  Its great for the fresh league shot, or even some tournaments shot, but something for Nationals, just unpredictable.  


Or, just a thought, drilling a BW (any of them) for control, would I be accomplishing my theory?
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2008, 08:08:24 AM »
Hmmm, personally, I would see the BW and Big Blues as very different balls, despite the similar core design. The BWs are IMHO designed for much more back end movement, and through the different diffrerentials, you can drill a Big Blue pretty strong, while a BW with the same setup might be over-the-top.

The Big Blue could be a good addition, though - OOB at 500 grit sanded above a BW Solid, for longer and soupier patterns, and polished it should be a control piece that fits "under" a BW, when you fight with carrydown and over/under reactions. Just tune the surface to the oil volume you wnat to tackle, and simply do not drill a Big Blue too weak.
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Re: Big Blue Particle...
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2008, 08:12:20 AM »
Thanks dizzy.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2008, 01:39:19 PM »
The gas mask that is in the Black Widows has a flip block.  This flip block, though not actually connected to the gas mask portion of the core, serves in a similar fashion.  It serves to elongate the core which allows the core to maintain tilt and rotation further downlane allowing you to open up the lane, while it also adds to the overall flare of the ball giving it a higher hook potential.

The BB solid was very smooth and for med-hvy, while the pearl was a bit flippier due to the coverstock.  I never cared for the pearl, which I felt was allergic to oil and very over/under, while the solid looked ok to me.  The gas mask, as seen in the Black Widow, was first introduced with the Big Deal (one of the most under-rated balls in my opinion).
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Re: Big Blue Particle...
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2008, 10:30:24 PM »
I agree with BallsDeep about theBig Deal   That was the ball that got me hooked on hammer.........   i never drilled a black widow because i used my big deal all the time....................   alot of the "newer" hammer stuff creates too much angle on the back end for my liking  so i tend not to drill them   even though they got some really impressive pieces

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Re: Big Blue Particle...
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2008, 02:17:08 AM »
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The gas mask that is in the Black Widows has a flip block.  This flip block, though not actually connected to the gas mask portion of the core, serves in a similar fashion.  It serves to elongate the core which allows the core to maintain tilt and rotation further downlane allowing you to open up the lane, while it also adds to the overall flare of the ball giving it a higher hook potential.


That's correct, and the Big Blue simply is NOT this back end ball. It has a much more continuous movement, very arcy. Not fashionable today, but has its uses, and I think some users at its time (and even today) are a bit disappointed because ths ball simply has not that huge back end to offer.
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Re: Big Blue Particle...
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2008, 11:48:45 AM »
The Big Blue particle was one of the first balls I bought when I got back into bowling.  I don't have the ball anymore but it was a great piece.  I still feel particle has it's place!
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